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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Week 21: Episode 2
Hey everybody. We are back with episode two for this week. I'm glad that you guys are here with us. Josh, go ahead.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Uh, continuing on my movies that terrified me as a child. I'm talking about 1990 sevens all volcano. No, uh, another really good cast. Tommy Lee Jones, Ann Hutch, John Cheadle. Keith, David, John Govett. A lot of recognizable faces in this one as well. Uh, more so than Twister, I think. Um, probably not as at the time, but like a lot of these actors got bigger since this movie.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So watching it now at the much bigger cast, uh, came out a year after Twister. Doesn't look as good. This is not a very effective movie. I was talking about Twister being very effective and it's making you feel tension. This one's not
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. Why? I honestly, I've seen this once, but I don't remember it very well.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:so in Twister. You've got another slow moving, relatively slow moving thing that you're running away from. This is a volcano that pops up out of nowhere with zero tension in it, and it is still a slow moving thing.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Also just feels boring.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, so the first thing is they're fighting. They're trying, the first, like third of the movie is them finding out that there's a volcano in the first place,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:though people are mysteriously dying of or getting these burns. They're like, oh, it's probably a steam vent. And there's even a scene where the main guy goes a steam vent from what they shut down all the power and electricity and water in this area. And they're like, I don't know.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:And they just don't look into it all.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:They just move on.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's so dumb.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:And so the lava finally shows up and it gets on the surface and they're, and they're, everybody's freaking out and shooting wafa into the sky and burning things down. And they're like, oh no, what are we gonna do? It's heading for the black community. What are we gonna do? And they decide that they're gonna build a barrier and then they're gonna drop water on it to make the lava harden, to make it damn up against itself, which is a real. Volcano strategy and they address it in the show. They say, this is what Iceland did. Maybe it'll work for us too, is instead of doing a little bit of water constantly, we're gonna do a lot of water all at once and hopefully it hard, it cools it enough to harden and then creates its own barrier so it doesn't get to that community.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Pulls
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Um,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Lost
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah. Yeah. Uh, the problem is these people act like they've never heard of lava before. There are a number of scenes where this actor's like whatever it's called, and the lava expert is like, it's called lava. And she's like, and then Tommy Lee Jones is like, yeah. Lava, I guess. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. I know that like I didn't necessarily grow up with the same childhood as Tommy Lean Jones as he's like 60 years older than me,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:But
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but it's not like the idea of tectonic plates. Is that new?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:And even if you didn't know that, you know what lava is,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:not even know like the difference between magma and lava. I think most, there's a lot of normal people who wouldn't, but you would know lava. That's, that's stuff
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Uh, so just the stupidity around it. Like they didn't know what a volcano was called.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:that's so bad. That's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:dumb.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. And like they have the scenes with the news reporters that are like, we've Never heard of this stuff before. We're gonna have to call it an expert. And you're like, okay. So Hawaii is just not a place in 1997. Yellowstone, never heard of it. What is that place? Yep. If it doesn't exist in la, I've never heard of it? before. Ever. Is what they act like. And so just like the level of stupidity is ridiculous. The like comments that come from that stupidity also ridiculous. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:is it? Is there any level of this is stupid fun, like a movie that's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:no.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:because it's dumb? No. Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:No.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:you can tell that they were trying to be intense. They were trying to bring the intensity of the unknown. Thing that is lava popping up in the middle of the city, right? A volcano growing in the middle of the city spontaneously, right? Like, that's a terrifying present, uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:right? Um, even though in reality it would take like millions of years for that volcano to form. But anyway, uh, like the premise of it, of this volcano spontaneously deciding to, to upshoot and become a volcano, uh, they were trying to make it kind of like Twister. It was supposed to be another like natural disaster fear movie, intense movie. Um, and they just failed. They just failed. It was not intense. The writing sucked. The,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:they didn't bring the intensity. There was a scene. Where they were starting to fight the next thing of, of lava because, oh, even though we stopped it from getting from the black town, it's not like the lava didn't go anywhere else. So it's going somewhere else. Where's it going? Oh my gosh, it's going through the subway system and I'm as a logical person, I'm like, well, why wasn't it going through the subway server before the surface, since the subway system's below the surface anyway. So It's following the subway system and it's gonna outlet and they need to conte, they need to connect the subway system to the canal system so that the lava drains into the ocean. That's their big plan. But downhill is. The hospital where they have been sending everybody to. And so they need to blow up a building to act as a barrier so that the lava goes the other way instead. Um, and there's supposed to be this really intense scene where an earthquake happens, um, because of this volcano, and it causes something to fall on this cop. And so there's these two cops still trapped in the building, and there's supposed to be this big intensity.'cause the, the person who's pressing the button is like, are we clear? Are we clear? And they're not responding. Are we clear? Are we clear? We need to know, are we clear? And they're just sitting there making eye contact with each other, like, what are we gonna do? And the one's like, get outta here. You can still make it. You're not trapped under this thing. And the, the guy's like, no, we'll stay here together. And then he says, all clear captain. You are like, what an idiot. What a freaking moron. That makes no logical sense of whatsoever. It makes no sense at all. And so they blow this building and the building starts to blow up. And then Tommy Lee Jones looks across the street and sees his daughter is standing there. It's not actually clear, she went through some back alley somehow and popped out right where this building was gonna fall. So he out runs the building and just as the building comes crashing down onto the spot where they were standing, Tommy Lee Jones was able to push them to safety. And the final scene is them, everybody's looking for Tommy Lee Jones character. They're like, is he alive? He, he came up with this magnificent plan that saved us all. Where is he? Where is he? Everywhere. And he pushes his way out of the rocks. And then the main love interest gives him the look, and then he gives them the, and that's how the movie ends. And you're like,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's terrible.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:that is the
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:terrible.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:stupidest thing. There's no way, like, this is worse than the like, uh, Godzilla minus one scene where he blows up the thing and you're like, Hey, that thing was wiping out buildings. There's no way pushing him, saved him. And there's no way you survived that. Right?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Nope.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:This is worse because he pushed right. Boom. So if he was able to push them and they were both able to survive, she was never in danger to begin with.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:No, not at all.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Plain and simple. That's the reality. She wasn't in danger. You did nothing. But no, he, he pushed his way out of her and idiots. It's just stupid. It's just dumb. Like, honestly, the like ideas that they come up with to fight the lava is pretty clever, right? Like
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:they decide to like, blow up the, the building to act as a barrier. Pretty clever. They decide to, um, blow holes in the street to make the street a canal, to connect the subway system to, to the actual canal system, to let it out into the ocean. Pretty clever.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:clever.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But besides that, this has no redeeming qualities like
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Have you seen Dante's Peak?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:no.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. I would be interested in you watching that and doing a comparison. Peak is also ridiculous, but it sounds maybe better than this movie, though there's ridiculous part. There's one part in Dante's Peak where the grandma is trying to save her grandchildren and the river has turned to acid, and so she's like, uh, they, their, their oar melts off and they're like, we're not gonna make it to shore. And this acid that like eats anything a second, the grandma hops out of the boat and is pushing them to shore. And it is absolutely asinine, but it is a pretty entertaining show. And I'd be interested in your comparison. I.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It's, it's gonna be hard'cause like we talked about Twister last episode and I'm like, Hey, it was an enjoyable show. Like, I get it. I watched a volcano and I'm like, I have no idea why that terrified me at all.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:because it's so stupid
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:so stupid It is so unbelievably stupid. Visually, the like effects are worse than Twister. It came out a year after, so relatively simul, possibly better technology and it's worse. Like there's stupid qualities to it. Like they got lava wrong. Like how lava actually works. They got it wrong. And like I can chalk that up to being a 25-year-old movie at this point, 28-year-old movie at this point. Because this is stuff I've always known about lava. But that doesn't necessarily mean they did at that time, I guess. I mean 1997 I was one. So maybe we've learned this stuff since
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Twister had a$2 million budget higher than volcano. That$2 million went straight into effects.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I guess so.'cause like twisters 1996, it's as old as I am and like it looks fine.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It looks fine. I buy that. That's a tornado. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah, absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Volcanoes. Lava does not look like lava. I don't buy, it's lava. It just looks like crap. And like so one of the things that they got wrong about lava is that it's a liquid. So like there's a scene where this guy is on the subway, the lava's coming up the, the subway tube. So, and he has the train driver on his back and he decides he's gonna leap into the lava and throw the driver to safety. Right?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:And so he jumps in it and he starts melting and falling into lava,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:right? Do you wanna know What? actually would've happened if he did that?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:What?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:He would've stood on top of it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I thought it was more like a quicksand type substance. No. Oh,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:is,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:it is like 12 times more dense than water.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Interesting.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. So like he, yeah, he would have burnt his, his shoes would've burned and he would've melted straight through it and he would've burnt, but like physically, he could have taken two steps and probably gotten off and probably even survived with just severe, like probably need, like your feet would've been gone forever. like nerve endings, they're gone, feet gonna be pretty much dysfunctional, but he possibly could have survived that kind of a thing. Right. If you're just talking about that now, the thing that I was mostly bothered by is I. Nowhere does it talks. Talk about the toxic fumes that. a volcano eruption creates.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Which they do talk about in Dantes
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay.'cause They don't talk about it at all in volcano. And like I understand them not understanding lava is not really a like liquid in the way you think of liquids. I understand that. I don't understand. Not knowing that when a volcano erupts, it spews so much sulfur and chemicals in the air. It suffocates people. So in that scene where he's carrying the guy, he's not gonna melt into the lava and die He's going to have suffocated and died 20 minutes ago
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:from the fumes.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:from the fumes. So it's, Yeah, that, that's the one thing I was like, that's how you would've built tension in this movie.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Not only is it slow moving and going towards you, it's suffocating anybody who's trying to fight it. but you have to fight it to save the citizens.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Dantes Inferno came out, or Dantes Peak came out the exact same year, so they totally knew about
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Well, yeah, they, they've known about volcano fumes for a very, very long time. Like very long time, thousands of years, long time. Um, so that was my one thing is like not only is this a logical flaw for somebody who knows anything about volcanoes and lava and stuff. but it would fix your movie.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Like having that be a threat and like having the scene where they're trying to get everybody oxygen and. This, that and the other, like that builds the tension of the situation to make it terrifying.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it would've been much, much better. Like way better.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So it's, I don't know. So anyway, I, I would give Volcano a three out of 10, a three and a half out of 10,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:and I will not go back to this one. If somebody really was like, man, I love this movie. I really wanna watch it. I'd say Fine. But I'm scrolling through my phone the whole time. I've got no interest in paying this movie attention ever again.'cause it's
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Are,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:crap.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:so two things. First I thought this was interesting, but, uh, Bolivia's, u co. U co, something like that. It is the fastest growing volcano in the world and in nine years it rose 13, 1400 feet.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's pretty
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:cool.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:feasible
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:cool.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:take decades. Like you could have a volcano pop up in a shorter period of time, um,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:years.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:nine years, but it's still not a month.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:You know what, that's fair.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:there.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:give it, I give it to the people of la If there was a volcano growing, it might take them nine and a half years to decide. It might be bad enough to leave.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh, that's funny, man. Uh, and my other question was, is there any of these natural disaster movies that you really love?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Uh, I mean, the only ones that come to mind are Twister and Volcano. What else is there?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. I like, uh, day after tomorrow. I actually really enjoy that movie, but that's probably
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I haven't seen it since. I was like, that's the one. where everything's frozen over.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. Yeah, I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The only thing I remember is the scene where they're going down to the basement and they have to dive into the frozen water. I don't remember why, but I just remember that that happens. So I can't speak to that movie. Just that scene?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. So I think when I watched it. I just didn't get it. So, I dunno,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:people who don't agree with me, but, uh, I like that one.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:it's a fairly big one, I recognize the name. I like, people talk about it frequently enough and, and stuff. I just, I don't remember it. I was too young for it, but it wasn't terrifying enough to terrify me as a child. I just was bored, I guess.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the other one that I like is San Andrea's fault, but that's because it's absolutely stupid. Like to the point of being funny, but it's a stupid movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay. Natural disaster movies, uh, into the storm. Seen the wave sucked. 2012 was not great. Armageddon is good. Armageddon is one that I, like.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:seen Armageddon.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Oh, it's actually pretty good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Bruce Willis has to go up into space to blow up an asteroid. It does sound good, but, or it does sound dumb, but that's kind of what it Is Sight insect. I think I've seen the perfect storm, but I don't recall Independence Day.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Is that one natural disaster?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It's under, it's on this list.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. That's a
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:No, I wouldn't,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I wouldn't call auto death, death tester either, but it's on the list.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. I don't know if there's any, I I really love.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I actually like contagion too, if that counts. I wouldn't necessarily call that a natural disaster, but I like that movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, I think 2012 is better than people give it credit for, but still think it sucks.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's another one that I like because of how stupid it is. It actually makes me, it makes me laugh. It's a good dumb time.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Does World War Z count?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Uh, I don't, Hmm. I mean, if we count contagion, then yeah, it technically would
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay. Uh, there's like natural disaster esque movies, um, like the, uh, diver, rescuer divers movie. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the, oh, that one's really good.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it's the one I'm thinking of, like the, is it the one where they get stuck in the cave? The kids get stuck in the cave.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I dunno,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. Whatever
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:uh, what is that movie called? It starts with API know it starts with a p. It's gonna bother crap outta me. I, I own it. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:13
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:be,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the one I was talking about, and I really like that movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I haven't seen that one.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Let me pull up my plex because it's gonna bother me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. If you haven't seen, uh, seen 13 Lives, you should absolutely watch. It. Has Carlton Ferrell in it? It has, uh, um, it has, what's his name? Vigo Mortenson. Great movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I can even picture the main ash. It's not Ashton Kutcher, is it The Guardian?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh That's great.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. I'm glad I got that. Yeah. The Guardian, if we count that,'cause it's kind of a natural disaster movie. but not.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:of is,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I mean, it's about the rescuers who go into the natural disaster, or not natural disaster, but disaster.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:disaster. I would count it. don't
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay. If you count it, that one's my favorite. I love that movie.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's a great movie. I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:and it is just
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:in a long time.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:great. It's so good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I should rewatch that. That was a good movie. Cool. Alright, Ben, that was a good tro. Uh, my next one is night agent season two, and I, I like night agent more than I think you, like Night Agent.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:enjoy, I thoroughly enjoyed the first season. I really did. There's problems with it. It's not nearly as good as bodyguard, but it, I did enjoy that show. I enjoyed season two, but season two has a bunch of stuff where you're like, what the hell are you doing? Part of the show is dealing with a chemical weapon and they know that this building is rigged to explode with a chemical weapon. And all the police, what do they do? They run in without any kind of mask or anything on at all. There's no hazmat, there's no nothing. And you're like, what are you doing? Why, why are you doing this? There's a chemist who is making this chemical weapon and they're in a shelter where nothing is going to hurt them, but instead of releasing the chemical weapon outside of the shelter so that every one of their captors dies, they just keep making chemical weapons. uh, I don't know. like the, uh, I like the actors. I like where they were going with the story, but a lot of the details with season two just didn't come together. Um, which is too bad. Still enjoyable. Glad I watched it. We'll watch season three, it's, not as good as season one. And with you not even liking season one that much. I don't, I don't even know if I'd recommend it to you. you probably have
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:but
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I'm not gonna watch it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:don't, know. I don't know. not as
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:one. Season one was
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:no, I think that that like genre of like action show
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:is just so hard to get right
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it's super
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:because with an action movie you have like, okay, so we need to set up, we need to establish plot, we need to establish characters, we need to introduce universe, X, Y, Z, whatever, right? And then we have to have an action for like a solid 20 minutes, 15 minutes, and then we have to have a conclusion. So action movie is like really easy to relatively to like do action show is just so hard.'cause you can't just not have action in an episode, otherwise you have a relatively boring episode. So you have to have suspense Or action in some way. So it either gets really repetitive or It's boring and it's just really hard to like walk that line. Like day of the Jackal I think is great. Reachers, season one is great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Uh, what is the other one? Chris
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:and Terminal List
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Terminal is great. right? There's a number of them. Bodyguard is fantastic,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's phenomenal.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but for every great one there's like 20. Okay. Ones and like 30 terrible ones. And it's just like, where it's not really my genre. Like I don't, I just don't love like the action movies even generally, um, to, to be like, here's an okay one and it got worse. It's just not like, I'm just like, I'm gonna spend my time. somewhere else.'cause like my two watch list is massive already.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:So
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Do I want to watch something? I might just kind of like, no, probably not.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Fair enough. I, I'm glad I watched season two, but it's on the very, it's on the, it's on the edge. I'm, I'm it is season one. I, I genuinely wish, I'm glad I watched that show. It's not, it's not terminal list. It's not bodyguard. It's not that level, but it is. I I had a very good time with it.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, I think it falls in the 20, right? Right.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Where it's okay. Where you can be like, man, if this might hit someone's niche and they might love it but other than that, most people are just gonna be like, this is okay. This is pretty good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it was a
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Not really my thing. Whatever.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Action show.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:That's kind of where I fall where I was like, oh, this is pretty good I don't. Hate that I watched it. I don't wish I didn't watch it, but it wasn't that like Action thriller, exciting thing where I was just so excited for season two to come out like, I forgot about this show.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:You did.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, you, you just brought it up. I'm like, I remember that I, this is okay with this show, but quiz me on the plot of this season one and I will get none of it. Right.'cause I don't remember it. I remember the cover and that I didn't really love it very much,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:but that was it.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But that was pretty much it. I might, if I really like looked into it, I'll be okay. I remember the main things, but
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:But that's about it. Alright.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it's definitely season two's not worth watching then.'cause it's not, it's, can't be like, it's better than season one. Give it a shot. No, it's, it's not, it's not. Season one. I was like, there's a few little plot holes there, but I, I enjoy the show and I'm okay with the plot holes. Like, it's fine. I'll, I'll forgive them. Not a big deal. Some of these ones, I was like, no cop is going to do that. And there's a part at the end of the show where they are, they're, they're busting into the building and they have everyone there, like they're in the middle of New York City and this is a chemical weapon, major threat. They have everybody going into this building. And um, I'm like, you have the entire building rigged up to let this chemical weapon go. And you're waiting for the UN to gather when they know you have a chemical weapon there. No one's going to this building until this is dispelled. You're not gonna get anybody. You have every one of your enemies inside this building. Just press the button and release all the chemicals and they're all dead. Everybody's dead. And you win. Just, just press the button. and the way that they solve it is they start a fire in the, uh, HVAC system at the top. And because it senses a fire, it closes off the hvac, which might be a real thing. I actually didn't look, but if it is a real thing, it's not gonna seal the HVAC so well that there's no leaking. And this is a chemical weapon that it showed a vial this big will melt your face off and they're just standing there hugging like We made it, we saved everybody. No. While you were hugging your face would melt off and you would die.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So the way those systems work is by suffocating, right? So they Would actually seal extremely well.'cause if they didn't
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Full sill.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:because if it didn't, oxygen would seek back through and the fire would continue.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So the way they do it is
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:of a
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:basically creating a vacuum inside the space. Right. So normally there, there are two phases, right? So they, the, the phase one of them is they seal.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:air, so nothing is getting in and in or out. No air is getting in or out. And then they drop a chemical that basically bonds with
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:The smoke or question. Okay,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yep. So, I mean, at my last warehouse job, they had this kind of su fire su suppression system that basically if you, if this was deployed and you were within things like 10 feet of it, it would suck the oxygen out of you.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Wow,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:that's how powerful this chemical, this, it's called foam. This foam is with bonding with oxygen. So it attracts, so that's how those fire suppression systems usually work.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I didn't know it was that good of a seal. I figured it wouldn't be
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Uh, it's a big deal there. If you're working in an industry where you're dealing with highly flammable chemicals, you basically have to have a storage system with this fire suppression system in place to where you don't let it get beyond just one barrel.'cause if so, it's a highly flammable port where it's highly flammable and pressurized in those metal barrels. So you basically have a bunch of a hundred kilogram bombs
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Bones.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:really close together. So there, there it is very sophisticated. These fire suppression systems do work. They're also very big in museums because you want to protect the art. Um. Like bank vaults and stuff like that. So you've actually seen it in white collar where they have the vacuum suck out the oxygen. That's the like consumer version of this stuff where they just don't have the foam.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Very cool.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:know it was that good. That's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's awesome.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I mean those ones also work differently. So like in white collar, those ones generally to my understanding is they just, consi continually suck air out. They don't seal, they basically just vacuum all the air out. So That's how you starve it of oxygen is,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:other systems completely sell so they can
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:deprive it of oxygen, completely
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yep. And then drop the foam. Drop the foam down so that it binds with the remaining oxygen in the in the room.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Very cool. Very cool. I didn't know that.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Interesting.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:You
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But yeah, you are still absolutely right if you're still in the building in this scenario. It's still like the chemical is released and you're, but it, I'm, I'm picturing you're sealed in the building
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Hmm?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:with the chemical still and yeah, you projected everybody else, but if that chemical's released, You still got oxygen, you're still breathing, so whatever this chemical is, you're still gonna die. So you're still right in your criticism, but just inform me. Yes, that kind of fire suppression system does exist.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Very cool.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:over exaggerated it. Alright, well yeah, that's my, uh, viewing of that show. What is your next one, man?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The gorge, uh, this is continuing on my watched horror stuff because you recommended it kind of fit in with my, the Twister volcano. Then I watched the gorge kind of thing. Uh, Yeah. Uh, you are absolutely right about the onscreen chemistry.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I would, I would love to watch a romcom with those two,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:romcom them on the cover. I'll go watch it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:it.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:may not love it, but I'll watch that.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:me
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I mean,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Like instantly.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:they, they were so good on screen together. They were so good on screen together. It makes you not care about all the issues that this movie has.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. Fair enough.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:And there are a lot of issues. Um, I have a lot of plot issues with this movie
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. Tell me
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:there, this ziplining thing is an obvious idea. So the fact that the one guy is like. There's no way to get over there, so don't waste your time. I'm like, okay, what about a Zipline across the middle? Duh. What about like flying over,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Or
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:you know?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:around because we see that there's that
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:No, he ruled it out. So those he, he did rule the hiking out because of all the mines and stuff,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh, yeah, yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:right? So he ruled out hiking. I mean, that wouldn't go on forever. So I guess you could hike far enough, I guess. But like there was an explanation for not walking around the gorge, Right. The only way would be across it. And like you've got really powerful drones that could just lift you up and take you over there that you control. And by the way, nobody can find out because there's no signal going in or out of this place except for that one radio signal every 30 days.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. And the weird thing with the computer, which I found a little ridiculous
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So there's no signal, but there's a signal coming out of the computer that's in the basement of the gorge.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:of the gorge where everything's raw in, and it's a com computer that looks like it came from the nineties.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:They addressed that. The computer is from the two thousands. So they, they straight up addressed that in the movie. Uh, there's other things. There's even people from the two thousands, so like they established that people came into the gorge later than what was led on. So there's not really a plot hole. There is my point. Um, the winch that they use to get out of there is a plot hole. Because guess what? There's automatic turrets at the top set to shoot at anything that moves. So Yeah, you might get off the ground, but how are you gonna get past your turrets and your minds and everything else? Um,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:there. Ready to kill you. And kill you. And kill you. And kill you again. Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, Uh, why would black whatever not have cameras monitoring this thing?'cause if it's that big of an investment, I understand not wanting a physical signal getting out of there, but I'm gonna introduce the makers of this movie to this crazy thing called wire. And if you ran a wire, I know. it would run a long way, but if you were to like, take ethernet and run it 10 miles down the road, you could take the data from 10 miles down the road and it wouldn't actually be showing, coming from this area. Uh. The movie comes to an end, and their big plot to fix this situation is to blow up the cloaking technology so the rest of The world is gonna see the gorge, but then they blow it up with a nuke.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:so you basically created
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:The
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:a reason for this thing to exist.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yep.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The, the fact that the, like
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:And the, uh, big boss lady
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:the big boss leader just happens to be there during that time. I actually, by her being there, but
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I didn't
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I, I, I was, I was bothered that they killed her with the nuke and the fact that they had to have her say, don't worry about flying up, just fly away. As they flew into the gorge and out in a helicopter, which doesn't need to go down to go up like a plane does, uh, was just stupid because it was the only way they could make an excuse for her to be blown up by this thing.'cause if they had just gone at an angle, like a helicopter's, perfectly capable of doing it, it can travel just as far this way. It, it's Not there's no takeaway from them going this way versus this way. They can go just as fast. So they would've gone away with it, but they can't do that.'cause then she would be alive at the end. Uh, I was actually pleasantly surprised. I was like, cool. They destroyed the cloaking thing. So Google Earth is gonna see this thing. Governments are gonna see this thing. They're gonna investigate. She's gonna go to jail.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:too.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Then they were like, and nuke.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. I thought they
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Like, okay, so a nuke went off. So there's a reason for a hole in the ground to be there. Nobody's gonna look twice at it now. Nobody. Everybody's gonna be like, where'd that nuke come from? That's awful weird. And then black, whatever company would just be like, oh, we were testing. It's an uninhabited area. Don't worry about it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yep.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:They're like, okay.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:you have two snipers that are expert snipers and one helicopter, and you couldn't shoot down the helicopter.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. And they're running away and they just leave the snipers behind
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:as your, your only defense is this sniper rifle to go through the woods and you're gonna need to hunt to survive for at least a few days till you get to civilization again. And you're just like,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:eh?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I blew up the cooking technology. So we're good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yep.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The monsters don't make any sense.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. I didn't have a problem with the monsters. I just kind of accepted it. I liked the monsters.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I So there's the scene where they take her, right? They take Anya, joy Taylor
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:and they string her up and they establish that these are not just monster, just they're intelligent beings.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Lemme ask you a question, Conlin, what was their motivation in doing that?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I have no idea. No clue. I know
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Me neither. I was waiting for them to like be wanting her to set off the nuke because they don't want to live this life.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:that would've been interesting. I.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:That's what I thought it was leading to genuinely. I. was like, okay. So it's at the silo, that's where they went. They've strung her up. They're trying to get her to set this nuke off because they can't.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I'm trying to communicate in some different way.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But they didn't, they Just did. They were just there.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Just hung her up for no real
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:They're intelligent enough to set the super elaborate trap where they opened the door, they grabbed the bag, they set the bag, they, they set the trap around the bag. So when it moved, she, they, they knew to take off with their horse, but they're, they're intelligent enough to tie the knots and string her up to where she would be trapped and have no way to get it out. And
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:but not intelligent enough to display a message of some kind.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:you're, you're not intelligent enough. to communicate why you're doing what you're doing or you trying to escape. Are you trying to let ha make her kill you? Or what are you doing?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:to eat her later? Like, what's the purpose? I just, I didn't worry about what their goals were and I I was totally fine with it. But what you're saying is fair.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I mean, characters have motivations.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Monsters don't necessarily have to have motive motivations,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:But it shows they're intelligent enough to have motivations.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but you establish that they're intelligent, so you need to establish motivation for it to be a, like, if the motivation was to make her one of them, right? They establish that they're going to sacrifice her to become part of this intelligent do thing with all of those souls and that when they're escaping from the bri the orange things, right,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:they, they wanna make her be part of that great make sense? For some reason that's important to them. That's what they wanna do. They wanna have as many people in there as possible. I buy that. Why are you stringing her up? Why are you going through this process to do that?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah, and it could be just that you're trying to infect another person and add them to the flock, which they do kind of say that the disease spreads and maybe that's a possibility, but you don't know.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The disease can spread. It doesn't always spread.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. I thought they were gonna actually have it spread when she gets hit with the, like the shrapnel in her chest. I thought
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:they were going, but they didn't do that.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. I don't know. Uh, I, so the monsters were a problem for me. The political intrigue part of the movie didn't make sense to me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's the
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The antagonist of the movie. didn't make sense to me and I really hated how they took her out'cause it was impersonal accident. Uh, with her flying into the gorge after knowing that annu is about to go off and they need to get away as fast as possible, uh, it was kind of predictable. With them killing the first sniper guy that, you know, the black guy. They're like, we need to confirm your identity. I'm like, they're gonna kill him.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:In fact, when, when he's headed there and they like get his stuff, I'm like, oh, they're gonna kill the other guy. The way they're establishing this as they're, they're not taking any chance with any knowledge, so they're gonna kill whatev, whoever comes out of this anyway. And then they did. And I was like, wow. Who could have seen that coming? But that guy could have, if he had thought about it for two seconds. Uh, there's the scene where she discovers the quotes on the wall.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. he
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:and she,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:on the wall.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:no, when she does, when he does it, it's interesting.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The antagonist does it, it doesn't make any sense. Why does she care?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I don't know. I, I wonder that too,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Why is she upset that they passed one liner? Quotes down generation to generation of these people you clearly murdered.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:she wouldn't, it wouldn't matter to her at all.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It was clearly before they were murdered. So like none of them are like, you're never getting out of this place. They're all like, I like this poem. here's my one liner quote.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:here's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:my quote, here's my inspirational thing And she finds it. She's like, what is that? How dare they? And you're like, what?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Why do
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Why do you care? The book of poetry that this came from is on that shelf. It's it, uh, um, visually it looks good. I
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's very
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:as a whole, pirates of the Caribbean looks better, but there were specific scenes when like when the like snake was growing, crawling through and you saw it in the arm. I was like, oh, that's cool.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It was very cool.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It was very well done.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:The spider skull things are creepy as hell. I really liked the tree. I thought the tree was very impressive
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The tree was really good until he fell out of the tree. That looked pretty terrible.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh, I, I was talking about when he's on the ground and it's like eating him. I thought that looked fantastic.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Oh, I thought that looked super dumb.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I was hype. I was really looking at the teeth that was like what I was, my focus was drawn to and I was like, they clearly 3D printed that. That
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:is clearly plastic. That is not terrifying to me at all. I know what they're going for, but they have failure to me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I didn't, I, I thought it was very effective. I really liked the tree. I liked the, the goop and how it was like absorbing his body, and I liked the, I liked, I liked the tree a
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The Goop was really good. I like when he was hanging, I think the Centipede thing was fantastic.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Great.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:great. And then he fell out of the tree and I was like, oh, the Goop stuff is kind of cool, but I don't really care about those teeth and the fact that it's swallowing him and I don't know about that. And anyway.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I liked it and it got a good
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I thought it was great.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I thought I visually, I thought it looked really good. I thought it was great. And even like the, are some, there were some things like that, like I thought the, uh, the part where he winches up the cliff side, I was like, that is really cool. I don't think any of this would work. And it's ridiculous, but that's also really cool. Um, and I just enjoyed it. It just had fun. Even though it was dumb,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:So,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:didn't like were mostly the end and the political intrigue type stuff.'cause I thought that was utter failure, like really bad.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:so I remember I asked you, I don't remember what your answers were. I asked you to rate it on a scale of one to 10 as a horror movie. What? What was your rating then?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:My horror movie was an eight. Like I thought it was very effective as a horror movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the romance aspect was like an 8.5. I loved, loved the romance aspect of this movie and then the political intrigue type stuff. And the very ending is not very good. Like it's, it's bad, but I think it
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Is your,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Can you hear me?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:no, I can hear you. Sorry, my phone's ringing.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Oh,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:was wondering what it was.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:You're good. I'll cut this. Continue.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. Anyway, um, yeah, I, I overall really, really enjoyed the movie because I liked the other, the horror aspect and the romance aspect a lot, even though the ending is. Real, real rough, like really, really rough. What did you think?
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I think as a romance, it's, it's an eight out of 10, to be honest. Like, I would love to say it should be lower because there's not a lot of establishing it kind of just go from meeting to romance pretty quick.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:that's fair.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but the onscreen chemistry is very good. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:good. I.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:even though there's no talking, they do a very good job with, uh. Not making it feel quiet and uncomfortable. Uh, so as a romance It's an eight outta 10.'cause it's, it's genuinely really good. Them running away together. It really bothered me that like they set up this meeting point and he never shows up. And he shows up apparently like months later and it is just like, sorry, my, I. got injured at my last job. Like months. You let months go by without contacting her.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah, I thought it was stupid too. I, I don't think the ending is good and,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:thought it would've been better if she actually, if he never showed up, I would've liked that better.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. If he had died, sure. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:That's
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:the fact that he just, he should have shown up at their meeting point. Maybe he was limping. Sure.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Having him wait to get fully healed to then show up at her job. She's clearly had for quite a while
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:is
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:then she just lets it go. Come on. And like I can tell you exactly what the inspiration for that scene was.'cause it's a direct shot for Shot Ripoff
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:What? I was actually
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:born.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:out. Oh yeah, you're
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:The ending of born the first one. She's in this coffee shop, she's working and he just shows up and is like, where do I get a moped around here? I was watching that and I was like, I love Bour and I love this scene in Bour, but this is terrible. Uh, anyway, as a romance, I'd give it an eight on 10. It's fantastic. The chemistry's great as a horror movie. It's a four out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It's that. Wow.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Because it has certain moments. Like I said, that centipede, when he is stuck in the tree, Is a truly terrifying scene.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yes, absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But everything else that's supposed to be terrifying is not that terrifying and is not that suspenseful.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:The spiders didn't creep you the hell out.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:It was a clever idea, and I like, I don't like spiders, but it wasn't like I was terrified or uncomfortable at the situation or thought that they were trapped and couldn't get out. Like I had no suspense in that moment. I was like, they're, they're gonna deal with this.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I knew that they could get out, but I still found that creepy. I really liked the atmosphere of this world that they've jumped into in like the forties fill. Um, I liked the, the soman and they just had this creepy rth like quality to them. I just, the atmosphere, the creature design, all of those aspects I thought. Came together
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:But it was an action movie. I agree with you. There. There was, but it was an action movie. It wasn't a horror movie, it was an action scene.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Can't, uh, you can have an action horror movie, like, I,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:You can, but this isn't what that was. And like where we're partitioning it up, right. We're saying this is a horror scene. This is a action scene that is an action scene. It's not a horror scene to me at all. It was completely an action scene.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. That's,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Like I agree. Visually, it was very cool. uh, I really liked the horseman and the sword, but it wasn't like horror, creepy or anything. It was just, uh, it was an action scene
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:okay. As a,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:like.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I would rate it as a who action scene if we're gonna break it down that much. But as that, I thought it was very effective.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I, don't think so at all. It,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:obviously much more than you do. I really enjoy that movie and that largely is a horror action movie, but I still think rated as a very high horror, even though it's not, you're not, it's not your woman in black, it's not the original alien. It's not, it's not
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I know, but it's still like you could break it down scene by scene and say, this is an action scene. This is a horror scene.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Right. Um, and to me, most of this is like action scene in kind of creepy place, but it's an action scene. Right.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:of
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:And
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:hosing with
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:included.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. And to be Fair I don't think it would take much to make it a horror scene. It's just what it would take would be toning down the brightness of the scene. Having it be actually like super dark with all the creepy environment around them. Totally changes the tone,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It would've That's fair.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but it's, it's bright. It's daytime. Yeah. They can't really see the, the tree horseman guy
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:It
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:because he is hiding in the smoke But it's not like, anyway, that's how I felt about it. Other people could filter it differently. That's, that's totally fine. Um, I just think that there was a couple of really good horror sequences,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:but largely when they tried to do horror, like when the thing reaches up over the ledge, like that was clearly supposed to be a jump scare
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yes.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Super big yawn for me. Like I.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:But I, I agree that that part is just your typical horror movie. but. I think the part where they're clearing out the gorge for the first time and the creatures are climbing up it and they're shooting everything. I would call that whore. It is action, but I would call that whore. Um, and I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I agree.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:effective aspect of Okay. You do. Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Yeah. When they're cr when they're crawling the wall. Yeah. That's a horror scene.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay. Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah. I found found enough of it effective that I really just enjoyed the horror aspect of the movie,
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:lot actually.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I I, maybe it was just my expectations on how you sold it, but when I was watching it, I was like, this didn't really hit horror for me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Like I said, I think the tree scene is the exception. I think that is the best horror part with the centipede.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:would agree. I. would
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Uh, that is the best poor sequence of it. But once you get beyond that point, they're together, they're armed, they can easily fight back. They have infant ammo. They're Clearing out they've got clear goals. They're not cornered ever. They're not trapped ever. It's never dark, you know?
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:that's something that I wish they would've addressed is the ammo aspect.'cause they're going through a lot of ammo and adding a little bit of a survivalist, resonant, evil fill to it would've been an improvement.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:would've been better.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah. Um, as a political thriller, I think it's a two out of 10. I think it failed all along the border on that aspect.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I agree with that.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Overall, I'm gonna put this as a six and a half out of 10. It's in that portion where I'm like.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the line with most other people.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I'm happy I watched it. If somebody said, should I watch it? I would say, yeah, sure. Go for it. You know, I enjoyed watching it. It's enjoyable enough, but the enjoyable part to me was the romance, and there just wasn't enough of it. I would've preferred watching two and a half hours of them sending signs to each other and goofing off and shooting the walls occasionally because of the zombie things than what I actually got.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:so you would've improved, uh, uh, it would've been better for you if it was like a romantic comedy and they were literally like getting bored that they're just like shooting zombies off the wall and make
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:a horror comedy instead of a, uh, serious tonal whore.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Like them going into the gorge didn't really add anything.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:So, I mean, they could have changed it completely to make it so they're going into the gorts just to hunt these things and prove who's better and make it
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:horror comedy aspect.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Have a shoot off from their towers into the gorge.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I could have been cool. I would've been, I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:for that
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I would,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:would, uh, that would've been good.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah. But all, all this to say like, I'm not mad at the choices that they made.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:I'm not, I don't think that they had bad ideas. Um, I kind of feel like it was whatever we were talking about before where they just had too many good ideas to fit. I think, you know, I think the political intrigue stuff that they had was pretty good. They just didn't use the screen time to establish it, to make the payoff worth it, and then they ultimately undermined themselves with the nuke.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:I think they ultimately undermined themselves with the nuke, and I think that they would've required a lot more time. Like if you had made this a TV show, I think you could have built up the political
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:But with the time they had, I don't, I don't see anywhere where that was actually going to be good. I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah, no, it, it was unnecessary to, to try and include it with the time that they did. They didn't establish enough of what was going on outside the gorge with the antagonist chick to make it worthwhile. You didn't even make her feel that much like a bad guy. So,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:they could have just found out that people died when they left this gorge and broken down the, uh, the things that were making it invisible. The machines that were covering it up broken those down and left together and create their own identities and not really touched any of that. And that would've been better.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:They just were leaving it and having somebody find it make a big explosion so people wonder what the heck is going on. They come explore it.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:off the sirens.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:something set up the sirens. Yeah. That would work too.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:don't need to blow things up, but.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:You didn't
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:to kill off the big leader of this organization. You could have just. Gotten the
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:And if they didn't, you could have set yourself up for a sequel.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Yeah, you could have. Absolutely.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:Absolutely. And uh, yeah. Anyway, I very, very, very much enjoyed this movie. Even with the ending being what it is, I very much enjoyed this movie.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not mad that I watched it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:good.
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:was worth my time. It, it was never, I was never bored. I was never like angry at the choices. I feel like there was just ultimately a lot of missed opportunities. They were trying to do too much, but it was still enjoyable. And the on onscreen chemistry between the two is worth the movie for just that. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:the whole movie just for that. Yeah, I
josh-dietrich_2_02-25-2025_150314:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_02-25-2025_180312:completely. Alright guys, with that, that is our episode. We will be back with another one soon. Appreciate y'all watching. Um, if you've watched the Gorge, I'd love to know what you think. You guys are awesome. See ya. Bye.
