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Week 23: Episode 3

Displicable me 4, We need to talk about Kevin, The motive, Dungeons and Daddies, Primal Hunter Book 2



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josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Hi guys. This is onscreen offscreen. Thank you guys so much for listening and or watching. Uh, thank you. Anybody who's given comments or likes or reviews. Super, super, super appreciate it. Uh, comment. What is your topic for this episode?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay, my first one is Despicable Me four. Um. I watch this because I like Despicable Me one and two. I think they're both enjoyable movies. Not my favorite animated movies of all time, but enjoyable. I like'em. Three was a step down for me, but I liked two of the movies. Give a fourth one a shot. one has a very similar formula, like you feel like you're just watching. It's a despicable movie. Movie if you like the fir. Oh.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Sorry, which two did you like?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

The first two,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Okay, go ahead.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

first two. if you like the first two Despicable Me movies, you'll probably have an enjoyable time with this one. Is this a movie I would watch again? No. Am I glad that I watched it once? Yeah. It's, it wasn't disappointing to me. Like fu Panda four was disappointing to me. This one was just like I expected de uh, despicable me. I got Despicable me. Not a bad time. Do you like these movies? Do you like a Despicable Me at all?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

No, none of

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I had a really good time with the first one. once, but find it. Found it utterly unwatchable. The second time I watched it and I found despicable me too, utterly disappointing and pretty terrible.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay. Why did

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

wasted time with Minions or any of the other shows since.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

the minion movies are terrible, like legitimately awful. Uh, three is is not good, but I wouldn't say it's terrible. The minion movies are terrible. Why didn't you like number two? Do you know?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I don't remember off the top of my head. Um,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I don't even remember what happens in it.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

uh, let me, two, is he, he meets the girl who he's gonna get married to, and then there's with the Happy song, and they go on the boat and they take down the bad guys. You remember any of this stuff at all?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

No.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

my rating for number two is forgettable,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and my review for the first one is, It was really enjoyable once, but the second time, none of the jokes landed anymore. It was old. Been there, done that.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

It

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

don't need to watch it anymore. I'm not against people liking the show like, like I said, I really enjoyed it once

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and hey, if that works for you? great. I'm really surprised that the fourth one is on there for you because It doesn't seem like your kind of show.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

It is really not.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I watched the first one with some cousins, little, little kids when it came out. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have even watched the first one. But I enjoyed watching them watch it, I enjoyed the movie enough it. Found a fond, a fondness in my heart. And the second one, I also kind of a similar situation. The third one was I also watched with kids, but the movie is not very good. Like there's not some funny parts that I can really enjoy. It was just the same old, same old, without any of the cleverness that I think the first two have. So you're left with something that feels kind of dull and lifeless. one had some of the cleverness of the first two movies and made it a more enjoyable experience for me than, the third one was. Do I think any of these movies are truly great? No, but I, I do enjoy the first two quite a bit. Does that make

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Okay. Yeah, it does.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, guys. Uh, if you've watched Despicable before, I, I looked at the IMD listings and people don't really like this movie, like at all. As, as a, I guess that was a 7.3. That's, no, that's number two. One second. Number two as a 7.3.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Tomatoes is 56%, letterbox is 2.7 out of five, and IMDB is 6.2 out of 10.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah, people. It's not a very highly rated movie. I would give it a little bit higher than that. 6.6, 6.7. I enjoyed watching it once and if I, if you like the series, I think it would be easier to enjoy this one, even though you are seeing a lot of the same things you've seen before. I.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Well, I'm glad that you're glad you watched it once.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Me too. Me too. Alright man. What's your next one?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Dungeons and Daddies, uh,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yes.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

listened to one episode and only one episode, uh, because I've been listening to books and. I've gotten to the point where they're at the library, so I'm to the point where you found enjoyable. So far it's pretty good. I also listened to, so I subscribe to their Patreon, so I get, I basically listen to twice as much as you do as I listen to their talking dads or whatever they call it, and I have this to say, I was right about the Ester episode. I was so right.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

What do you mean?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Uh, they were talking about having Neil on the show

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and Beth was talking about how she didn't get it because she doesn't play games, but then she saw him and they made eye contact and she quote, unquote, understood everything about him. Yeah, so I was dead right about that episode. She was just flirting with him the whole time. It was a garbage edge episode. I'll die on this.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I loved that episode. I thought it was hilarious. it sounds like she was just flirting with him. I can't believe she doesn't play games. She's on one of the biggest DD podcasts in the world, and she doesn't play games.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

She is.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

to me.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

She never played d and d before this show.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah, I know. I know. I know. think she'd get into some more of the nerdy stuff because she is literally like her job and she's surrounded by absolutely nerdy stuff all the time.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

her job is actress and she's a poet on the side and did This because there was nothing to do during Covid.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

This has to be her main job now. She's

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

is now a.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

money. Yeah, so like now she's surrounded by nerdy stuff constantly.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It's just not her thing. She does poetry. She plays d and d once a week.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Have you ever read her poetry or anything?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I have, yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Oh, is it good?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Oh, do you like poetry at all?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

some poetry. I, I do have a favorite poem. I do have a favorite poet. Um. Hers is just not my stuff. Uh, she's very, uh, curse word inclusive

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Uh,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and very surface laid level of writing poetry about how she slept with this guy, and I mean that literally about how she slept with that guy.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Oh, okay.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah. Some of her stuff is not That literal, but she's not the worst in the world. I didn't listen to her or read it and go, well, this is just crap. But was it as impactful to me personally as I like poetry to be also? No. So,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay. I'll

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

some of her stuff and see what I think. Because I don't know. That's, that doesn't sound that great. But I'd be curious.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Give it a shot. Why not?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Be

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It's free online.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

interested in what you think about the next episode.'cause I, like I said, no, I love the next episode. I haven't caught up either. They released one a day or two ago. I'll,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

at some point.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I will do. I found a new way to get through my books and stuff that I find very enjoyable, so.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

How.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Uh, I'll just go onto my next topic'cause that kind of leads into it.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay, good.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Uh, so my next topic is Primal Hunter Book two. Uh, I finished it. So last time I reported on the first like three quarters of the book,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

a little bit more than that, finished it, and the ending of this book is a lot better than the beginning.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay, good. Good, good,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It's a lot better than it. Uh, they're introducing a lot of characters that I'm very excited about, Carmen specifically.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

She's very cool.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Um, I'm, I'm hoping that she becomes an ally and not an enemy. Um, cons for this series right now, here's where I'm sitting when I'm worried about,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

he's very one dimensional about his enemies. And I'm kind of already getting tired of it.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay. What do you mean?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

All of his enemies are rapists or sociopaths.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Um,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

He is an author who is like, insert easy reason to hate character here.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

turn? Y that is a little bit of a con for the series. I'll be completely honest. I think some of the villains become more complex, but there's always a very easy reason to ha hate the person besides, have you run into Yip of your yet? I think he's in book three. We'll talk about it

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Uh, it sounds vaguely familiar. If he did pop up, it's at the end.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yip. Of your ends up being the main batty for Viper for a little while.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Okay.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Um, and he is an interesting much more Com complex character, a lot of jinx villains are, this is a very easy reason why I hate you and you are going to die, and it is a little bit of a problem.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Well, like, I mean, let's be honest, I've, I've now finished book three. Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

run into four enemies for Jake, maybe three I.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

You've run into, um,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Richard.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

are you big enemies?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

So Richard is the first one he runs into and he's controlling guy. William. is a sociopath.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

There's the guy who invades his territory and his daughter, And he's a rapist. And she's a sociopath.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

complete and

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

horrible people that just need to be murdered.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah, I

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

we've been introduced to, we haven't run into this character, but at the end of book two, he does like six characters where he is establishing the other primordial characters or whatever the title is that they're given. Carmen is one of them. Why I'm so excited for her, um, slave Girl, but we also have another rapist,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and so I'm like, okay. I know 12 characters

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and three of them, a quarter of them are rapists. So this author is clearly not going

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

against

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

far off this path of, insert easy reason to make people hate character here.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

William gets much more com uh, complicated and very interesting. Like this is a little bit of a spoiler, but the system grants what you wish the most, and William wants to understand emotion, so he's a narcissist who doesn't feel typical emotions, who

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah, he's a sociopath.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

He's a sociopath. It's a very interesting character development. I really like where they go with William and I'm excited what they do with him moving forward. Um, so he gets a little bit more com, uh, complex. There's a main batty. His name's Al Kahn. You'll run into him probably next book, maybe the book after that. and he's a main batty that is more complicated, but you also have a very easy reason why you hate him.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

more complex, interesting reason why you hate him. Um, but there is always like a, this guy is obviously bad. It can't just be like, you know what, we're on opposite sides of the conflict I wanna win the conflict because I'm a hunter and I don't lose, so I'm gonna smash this guy, even though he is not terrible. He is just on the opposite side. You don't get as much of that.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

So

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

let me be super clear to listeners who are not listened to this book right now. It's just an inkling. Like, I'm not saying don't listen to this book because of this thing

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I'm saying. I can see That this might get to the point where it's outta hand and outta control. My other like con or concern in the same fashion

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

is he introduced so many characters. It, it could get kind of hard to follow if. We have six main character or six POVs to follow

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

all of the time.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

that I, I have any problems with. Like, they, he does a good job with that. I don't think

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

You may do that, but I have a DHD, and so

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

true.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and Jacob already has been a problem. for me and not knowing which POV we're actually talking about more than one time has already happened, right? Like. It's really easy for my mind to be like, this is Hunter, this is Auger, this is Boxer. It is much harder for my mind to follow. This is Jake. This is Jacob and this is Miranda, or not Miranda. Uh, whatever her name is. Miranda's the Slave. Another character I'm super excited about. But um, Carmen. Right. So when he's talking about it and he's like, I'm a hunter. I'm like, okay, this is Jake. I can follow this. But when he's just using first names and he is like, and Jake said this and saw this, and I'm like, Okay. who are we? Where are we at? What the crap's going on? I can't follow this. Rewind. Okay. I've listened to this part six times already. Why do I blank on? this sentence Every time.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I don't think it will be as bad. They, and Jacob more separated, so like, you know, you're dealing with Jacob'cause it's just focused on the holy church and everything around it is like, this is the auger. It's very different. he's not mentioned nearly as much as you go throughout the series.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Right. But I mean, if we keep getting more POVs to follow, I'm concerned that we're just gonna be not progressing through the grander story. Because we're too busy switching between points of views.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

It gets to the point where you'll have Cameron every, every once in a while, who will pop up. You have Miranda. Every once in a while you have slave girl whose name I, my, I

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Miranda is the girl.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

No, Miranda's the girl that shows up in the valley and she's trying to, to protect, um, the builder and his daughter, who they, they ran away from the beast and then she becomes the left-hand assistant to Jacob. slave girl is the elf girl who has a different name. What is her

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It starts with an. M. I'm very confident it starts with an M.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

that? Maybe that's where confusion comes in. I don't know why I can't remember her name right now. She, Miranda is a different person.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Okay. See, I'm just terrible with names. Terrible with names. I can follow. Titles just fine, but, but names, that's

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

but I would say like 80% of the books moving forward is just follows Jake and

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

okay.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

happen to be with Jake.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Okay, I, I'm, I love the lizard gob. So far I'm super interested. Um, he's already laying plans that are quote years down the road for Jake. So I'm assuming we're gonna get some time jumps, um, coming up because if we're doing this month at a time and the God is years down the line with plans for Jake, that's gonna be a very slow. Are we getting 300 of these books kind of concern there? Um, I'm still loving it. End of book two was really great.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Nice,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I, I, I love, like I said, I love all the character introductions. I'm very curious about all of them. Carmen is the most interesting at this point in time to me, but I've listened to book three and like none of them have progressed except for. A little bit about the slave girl.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

And yeah, goes up a little bit and the site grow goes

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah. but she wasn't one of those

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

primordial introduced books at the end of book two.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

uh, let's, let's hit your next couple of topics and then we'll go into our shared topics.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I have got two that should be fairly short. We need to talk about Kevin. I was super interested when someone told me about this book. Um, the concept is a mother who has to deal with her son who was a serial, who was a school shooter, and the feelings that she has to deal with, the ostracization of the community that she's part of. sounds super interesting. The author dealt with some tragedy in their life, so they came from a place where they had a little bit more understanding. I didn't like the way this book was written at all. It was, it felt like there were too many details sometimes and there weren't enough details. Other times talk about the emotion wasn't very. Coherent. It felt like I was going crazy reading the book. Um, it, it felt hard to follow. I'm usually not terrible at following where books and stories are going, this one I kind of had trouble wrapping in my mind around what the main character of the mother was actually thinking and feeling, and it became so much I decided not to finish this book. usually push through and I get to the end of things. If the writing style didn't bug you about this, the concept and. The possibility of how well it could be written and how well it could affect you, I think would be worth giving it a try for me. It just didn't work. I, I didn't like it. I couldn't get into this book.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

That's fair. I would not read that book. I would never even pick up that book.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

really, that doesn't you at all.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I don't watch the news'cause it's too depressing.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay. This, this book's depressing.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Absolutely

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

not a opposed to like going into depressing topics, I'm opposed to going into topics that are gonna be nothing but depressing. all of the time.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah. And that's what this book is. 100%.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah. And I can tell that just by the synopsis, like I'm interested about. The girl who played Sam in I Carly's book. I'm glad my mother died. That one's interesting to me.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

But this book we need to talk about Kevin, that's like 13 Reasons Why On Steroids kind of synopsis to me. So

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Kind. It's just

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

just in the level that it's down all the time, it's just gonna be a downer book all the time.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

and it's, I, I just didn't like it. I didn't like this book. Um, I got 40 ish percent of the way through and I. I just won't finish it. I'm done. The other book that I wanted to talk about I loved it was, it's called The Motive, and it's a book that's just telling a parable. It's really short. I think the audio book is like two and a half hours long, and it is a guy who's bought a bunch of businesses before who comes in and, and starts talking to this business owner who has a very interesting business, but it's not thriving, and the parable is literally talking about. Why are you in leadership? Why are you being this person? are you making these choices? Did you become a leader because it was easier to be a leader? Or did you come a, become a leader to be able to help the people underneath you to grow progress, become something more? And it does it in this interesting parable way where he keeps asking questions over and over and over again. It's two hours, and if you're into business or leadership or anything like that at all. I think it's worth reading. It's not that much time, and I genuinely think you can just get something out of it. I, I really, really like this book.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

That's cool. Short and simple is always great. Uh, my favorite, short and simple is, uh, And then there were none.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

great. It's a great

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Simple. Short and simple is great, and short and simple about leadership is always a great way to go too.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah. Just, uh, I, I feel like the point that I. People get into leadership so they can just kind of put their feet up, is something that happens a lot of the time you get the chance to really change people's lives. Like I do leadership in the company that I work for and I love when I see somebody progress in their life when it isn't even at work. Like who I hired kind of took a chance on hiring them they were kind of stuck in their life. They were living paycheck to paycheck. They weren't really very happy. They would miss work because their anxiety was so high, and now they're like, they're, they're, they're taking classes to try to program and they're boxing again, and they're just doing some things to better their lives and live a little bit higher, and that's so cool. It just feels good. And it's cool to see somebody progress. if you're in a leadership position. Really, I think everyone's in a leadership position. If you're living a life, you have the chance to make people around you a little bit better. You don't think so? I think everyone has someone that looks up to them and that puts you in a little bit of a leadership position. You have the chance to raise up a little bit higher. You are shaking your head so much. What do you think?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I think that you think that because you are kind of a natural leader inclined,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

so it's hard for you to be in the position where you look up, but nobody looks up to you.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

What do you mean?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Meaning like It's hard for you to understand that concept. Like you yourself, you're in a position where you have leaders, you have people that you look up to, you have people that you aspire to be. You are also a leader. You have people that look up to you, that you train, that you work with in your company in real life, uh, in everyday life, you know, all that kind of stuff. Um, you also grew up in the LDS church where they kind of incentivize that a lot, where you go from being a deacon. To being Deacon's quorum president or first counselor or whatever, right? Like pretty much all of us go through that. You kind of just go through it where you kind of get into this flow of looking up them being looked at, looking up them, being looked at and looking up then look at being looked up to, right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Um, but I don't, think that that's always the case. I think that there are people who are absolutely just sheep in this world and there are a lot of them.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

you don't think. Even sheep have somebody, like one person, a little sister, someone who looks up to them a little bit

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Now?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

like you, you've talked about your brother being really good at everything.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Mm-hmm.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

you don't think in some ways he looks up to his big brother in something.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Oh yeah. He absolutely does.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

yeah, I

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

figure, uh, it's hard. To think of somebody that really has

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I talked about. Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

is, that looks up to them even for a moment. Like you have a moment of leadership, really? You think there's like literally nothing.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah. I think there are people out there in the world who don't get looked up to.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

that's too bad.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Well, I

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

guess there's people who really don't want that too, probably.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I look at the homeless people,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That's true. That's true.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

right? Nobody is looking at them for anything. Nobody's looking at the up to them in any way.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

but I guess there'd be a bottom of the homeless people, but I think there would be a homeless hierarchy too. I don't know this, I'm speaking outta my butt, but I figure there would be a homeless leader of some kind, a leader of the homeless, maybe I am.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Not really, no. It's.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I don't

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It's very much eat or be eaten mentality, right? It's in the wild. This is my corner, this is my territory. Get the freak out. and a lot of them are usually crazy too, so you have to understand they're not logical, regular human beings out there. There is alpha and beta and there is, right? There's not leading.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

and wolf.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

There's wolf. and sheep, there's not shepherd, there's nobody leading. There is territory, there is belonging, there is ownership. But there, and again,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

it.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I'm talking about a, a, a community that is 99% actually crazy,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah. Crazy, depressed, drug

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

all

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

But that is a community that nobody within the community looks up to anybody and nobody outside the community looks up to them. For very logical reasons. For the same reason. Even though a lot of them can be very nice people can have a lot of exceptional skills, right? But that is an entire community, right? Where you in Utah County probably don't encounter that community very often. So it's probably not the forefront of your mind. But that is a community of people that aren't looked up to

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

And I, I

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

and.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

of the point of this book is like, trying to make the point that leadership requires more of you and maybe the, it, it literally brings us up in the book. Maybe that's not what you want to be, and if you don't want this responsibility, you don't want the leadership, that's also okay. You can choose to make that, which I, I like part of, of that book. It's just. You're right. You're right. There are certain setss of people where they have nobody looking up to them. I think

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

And what about like.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

have more people looking up to them than they think.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Sometimes, but there's also like depressed teenagers who are isolating, right? Nobody's looking up to them because they're not making themselves seen.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

They're hiding as much

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

They're hiding.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

I.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah. So nobody's really looking up to them because nobody can. see them. And that's sad and that's terrible. Those people should step out of their shell. Take it from somebody who didn't. Step outta your shell, step into the spotlight. Put yourself out there. But that's another group of people that just

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Are doing

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

are

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

can, not to be

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

not to be

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

or stand out or

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

have any attention whatsoever.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

But even when you were hiding like that, don't you think somebody looked up to you at moments, like moments where you showed yourself or moments where you were

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I mean, you can talk about, like, if you wanna talk about my personal life,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I have been built up to be a leader my entire life,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

right? Like every single job that I've been in, I've been promoted into leadership roles.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yes.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Even my current company, which I didn't want. Right. Like I, I was the one who went straight from Deacon's quorum to Deacon's Quorum, president to Teachers Quorum to Teachers Quorum, president to Pres quo to Pres Quorum first counselor, because I, I kind of, I got AJ to go to church multiple times, right? like, if you wanna talk about me, I'm an extreme introvert who tried to isolate. But whose natural inclinations are very much in leadership styles. Right? So talking about me personally, about that isolated community, I am not a good representative for community

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

because

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

because

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

to

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I'm so hard. I just, I forget sometimes, and I do something and it has an effect on people. I'm sorry. Um. But there are, like, again, I grew up LDS, so like I was also in that kind of flow of things where you kind of like didn't really have a choice most of the time.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah, you

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Right.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

weirdly brainwashed is kind of the word I want to use, even though.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Indoctrinated,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

side

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

um.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yes. I don't think brainwashing is always a bad thing. I think the military absolutely brainwashes people, but it makes better people. I. is not always bad, but when you're growing up in the church, you're getting brainwashed and I don't necessarily think it's all bad. just is what it is.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I don't want to get into that, but my point is. I also grew up with six siblings, right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

it's a lot of siblings.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

a lot of siblings and that's a lot of people looking at all the different aspects and it's a lot of people criticizing you for not doing things, and it's a lot of people criticizing you for doing things so. It's hard to not be seen in that environment, but I recognize not everybody has siblings. Not everybody has family reunions where you and your 200 cousins all go to the same place at the same time, during the same week and go forward willing and all of those things. And some of them are older than you and don't pay attention to you. True, because they're too cool. But there's younger as well,

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

right? So like. I am in, I, I acknowledge that I'm in, in this boat and I acknowledge that the boat of single child without those familial connections, who can kind of more isolate, who can't, you know, let's say they're just in more into reading than me. Like, how am I supposed to isolate when I don't like individual sports and I'm too a DHD to read a book?

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That makes it hard.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

makes it kind of hard. you know? So I played junior jazz and I played basketball and, you know, so, You know, I can absolutely talk about my experience, but I, I can also stand up and say like, I, I do believe that this group of people, while small does exist. where people just don't see them.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That's a good point. That's a good point. I.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I worked in a boys treatment home where a lot of these young men, you know, 12 to 18, did have lives like that and probably would continue to have lives like that had they not come to my treatment center and got put into the position where they were kind of pushed into the spotlight.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That's where they had to do that.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

they chose, had the choice, they wouldn't have made that choice. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. I, uh, I want people to be happy and I obviously don't have all the answers, I think that's kinda the point to ask the questions, to figure out who you want to be and try to be the best you can for people around you, you know?

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yeah, for sure. But that's where the next point I disagree with you is like. If you don't want to be a leader, You can just not be. I think that's true to an extent, but I also think that there is a responsibility to leadership and whether you want to be a leader in it or an example, if you're in a position where you are, you have to be responsible with that.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

You just have to do it

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

You just have to do it.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

good point because if you have people looking up to you, even if you don't want that to be the case, if you choose to do nothing. They'll look up to that and it will affect them, which isn't all on you, but it does happen. I've been that person. It it does happen.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Look at your nieces and nephews or those little kids you watch Despicable Movie four with, right? Like they're going to look up to you because you're an adult.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

You can either take that opportunity to try and be a leader and, and show them and, And. lead, or you can choose to not be.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

It is a choice, but choosing not to be is the wrong choice. It's not just like I can just choose not to be in. It's not my problem'cause they're not my kids.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

You look up to older siblings. I'm the oldest in the family and even there were times where I was just kind of a screw up and that 100% affected my siblings and it's something that I think is natural, un kind of unfortunately for when I was in high school.'cause I wasn't the person I wanted to be. Um,

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Nobody is so, uh, you're 100% right. It is natural, and you're right when you're a sibling and you're growing up and your siblings are looking up to you. We're looking down to you like you're going to screw up. You're going to screw them up, right? Like as a parent, you're gonna screw up. You're gonna screw them up. I have always said it's not your job as a parent to not screw up your kids. It's your job to screw them up as minimally as Possible. because you're going to screw them up, right? Same for your siblings, right? Siblings are even less so because You yourself are young and stupid too. So you're gonna screw'em up even bigger.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

You just do the best that you can and keep moving forward.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Yeah. Anyway, that's the motive I would, I'd recommend to people. It's short. It's sweet. it a shot.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

I'll be checking it out.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

Sweet.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Thanks everybody for listening to this episode. Super appreciate all of you. So, so, so, so, so much. Uh, share, bring more people in if we can get some more people, I'll talk Conlin into doing a live episode because I know that more than one of you. IE, the two people who have been commenting, angel, turtle and Lauren, they want to scream at us all the time because we don't know things like who that name of character is or who the name of actor is or whatever. But let's get big enough. I can do a live episode and we can interact with you guys more.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

That'd be awesome.

josh-dietrich_3_03-12-2025_135353:

Great.

konlin-gappmayer_3_03-12-2025_175348:

See you guys.

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