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No Man's Land - Week 24: Episode 3
No Man’s Land - Week 24: Episode 3
She Loves me, Apple Cider Vinegar, FROM, Split Fiction, No Man’s Land
https://youtu.be/h5Fnlq2T0Vg?si=iwzF6jyohCo1Ze62
00:00 - She Love’s Me
03:53 - Hugh Jackman/Broadway talent
16:09 - Apple Cider Vinegar
38:22 - FROM
42:03 - Split Fiction
51: 04 - No Man’s Land
*** Sorry for the Technical difficulties at the end
Hello and welcome. This is Onscreen Offscreen. Thank you guys all so much for listening, watching, subscribing, liking, commenting, all of the things. Super appreciate you guys. I'm gonna go over my first topic. Uh, I've got one. You've got one or I've got two. You've got one. She loves me. This is a musical starring. Zachary Levi on Broadway.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:This is, have you seen it?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:No.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Okay. So he is a sales clerk in a perfumery shampoo lotion store, and he, um, is forced to work with this girl who he doesn't like because he said she couldn't work here and then his boss came out and got involved. And was like, yeah, she can work here. Um, and they kind of have this like rivalry bitterness to him. Meanwhile, he is writing letters to this girl anonymously and who he doesn't know via, I forgot what it's called, but you basically put an ad in a paper and you basically exchange, um, letters with each other to see if you're compatible. And then if so, then you can finally meet up. It's like the old version of online dating. Um. He's doing that, he's absolutely falling for this girl. Um, there's some other characters played by some other pretty famous people. They're all like bee actors, honestly. And you go forward and of course, romantic comedy style. You find out that the girl he's having this rivalry with is the girl he's been writing. They just don't know enough about each other to connect the dots. But in this version of this romantic comedy, he actually gets the opportunity to find out. So you have a part of the play where he knows both of the personalities and she doesn't. So like they make these plans to meet up at this restaurant, right? He is having a bad day, so he almost decides not to go and then finds out that it's her. So he hides the rows that he was gonna use to mark himself and goes and messes with her for the fun of it. And it's so funny and it's so enjoyable, and you have this like obnoxious restaurant manager who's like, we're trying to preserve the romantic atmosphere. He says romantic atmosphere so many times you wanna punch him in the face and say, stop saying that word, little. Um, it's a romcom. It's really basic. Yes. You know exactly what's going to happen. The interactions between all of the characters are so awesome. Uh, there's a sub character, um, who is the ditzy haw girl who keeps following for the douchey guy. Right, and there's this entire song about how ditzy and stupid she is and about how funny it is that she met somebody in the library after that relationship breaks up. So it's towards the end of the play, but you just like, it's a great song. You just go, this is great. I'm having such a good time with this musical and this play. Um, it's absolutely amazing. I do want to say, Mike. Coming out of this, I wanted to talk about this because if you haven't seen it, I recommend watching this to any musical fans, to any romantic comedy fans, to any romance fans, to any Hallmark movie fans. This is all gonna hit the spot for you. It's great. So the other reason is we have had conversations in the past about Hugh Jackman.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:This is the point that I want to make. I think there's a difference between having been on Broadway and being a Broadway talent,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Hugh Jackman has technically been on Broadway, but I don't consider him a Broadway caliber talent the same way. Zachary Levi is not a Broadway caliber talent, even though he does a great job in this role.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay. Okay. I can see where you're coming from. Um, I, man, Hugh Jackman is, I can see the point that you were making. I don't know if I completely agree, but I can see the point where you were making.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I mean, it's just a right. Been on Broadway. Played a major role in multiple Broadway productions. What's the guy's name in the New York one? What is that called? Newsies. Jeremy Jordan, right? There's a whole nother level of talent when you're talking about like Jeremy Jordan, Bernadette Peters, and some of these other like massive Broadway people. And you talk about like Hugh Jackman who did one thing on stage. One time. Yeah. He had the main role, or at least I think he was the main role in Oklahoma. I haven't seen it. I have no idea. He's the chi. His face is on the front. But there's a very big difference between playing a role on one thing and multiple time and time again, like you're just in a whole nother level of musical ability.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I see the point that you're making, and I do agree to some extent. I still think Hugh Jackman is a Broadway level talent. He did The Boy from Oz, he did Oklahoma, he did Carousel, he did the music, man. Like he's done quite a few different things and he is very, very talented. But that doesn't mean he is the best in Broadway. Maybe not even the Upper Echelon, but I do think he is a Broadway level talent. I don't think he just got in because of his good looks or whatever. I do think he is that level of a talent, but no, he is not one of these mega stars of a Broadway skillset. Does that make sense?
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I get what you're saying.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:like
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I just personally disagree with you.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Neil Patrick Harris, I do think is actually Upper Echelon Broadway level, good Broadway, along with being in these movies. Hugh Jackman, I can make an argument on how good he actually is, but I do think he's in the Broadway level, talent of good,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I think Hugh Jackman is just good enough that his name puts him over the edge. I don't think he is actually good enough.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:but he wasn't that name when he first started and he still was capable.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:of those roles did he get because of his name?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I think he got music, man because of his name for sure. Um, Oklahoma, I don't think he got because of that Carousel would've been before he was famous, so he didn't get it because of that. And a boy from Oz is where he started and he wasn't a big thing then. Carousel he might've gotten because of his name, Oklahoma, and a boy from Oz. He didn't.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I've never heard of boyfriend Oz, so. I didn't even see it on like Broadway HD thing. So I'm gonna go ahead and just discredit that one as probably not being a very good musical to begin with, but like what about non Broadway stuff?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:What do you mean?
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Do you think he got Les Mis because of his name or because he was actually the best person for the fall?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:because of his name. Put that out. Um, he got that one because it, it kinda like Ryan Reynolds got dead pulled'cause he pushed it. He got that one because he pushed it and he
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Because his name.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:That is'cause of his name. There is, there is some aspects for that. If he didn't have the talent to be able to do it along with his name, he wouldn't have got, wouldn't have got it either, if that makes sense. I don't think.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right. Like I said, I believe Hugh Jackman fits in good enough. Not, not great. I would not be like, look at this guy. He's got Broadway level talent. No, he is good enough to be passable.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I think he's better than that. I think Greatest Showman alone would show that he is better than that because I think he puts up Broadway level performance in that movie.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I think if you're talking about Broadway performance, absolutely not. But I would say absolutely not to any movie because you get retakes, you get re talents, and you get autotune. It's not being actually on stage. Right. It's very different. Right. Whereas like I, I watched the stage version, Zachary Levi, he gave that performance uncut, right? Like that is much more impressive to me than any musical movie because you get cuts, you get retakes, and you get auto tune, right?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:It is a lot hard. It's a lot harder to do it on stage. For sure, without a doubt.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:When you're talking about Greatest Showman, particularly, he gets Auto-Tune, so of course his voice sounds better, right? Like I've,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:it
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I have seen clips of him performing those songs, not Auto-Tune and it is not as impressive. Not even close.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:not
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Now, K to that, it was usually unprompted, so he probably wouldn't have had the time to warm up either. So. Fair game there. Right. But I just, I don't put Hugh Jackman on this Broadway pedestal, even though he has played a major role,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:in
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:one major role on one play in Broadway.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Oh, uh, music Man is definitely a major role for sure, without a doubt. Like Carousel is not as big. Music Man is a big musical.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:It may be, but his version of it is not the biggest version of it.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:That's true. That's true
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:So if you're thinking of like Carousel the musical, you're not gonna be thinking of his performance.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:music, man. I think it would depend on what you saw first. To be completely honest people. have you seen the music Man, the movies,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Nope, never even heard of it.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:idolized the first movie. I don't think the first movie is actually really good. There was a TV version that was done by Matthew Broderick. Um, the guy who does what is, what is the show called? Um, oh man, I love this movie. What is it called? One second.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:ER's, day off war games ING Glory, Godzilla
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:He's in a
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Inspector Gadget. No hard feelings.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah. Huge actor. Huge actor, great actor. Um, he does a music man version that is my favorite. He plays it in a way that I think is much better than the original. if I
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Are we talking about like stage production though?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:so these
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:you've said movie and tv.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:this, this, this is two movies that I'm comparing because that's just what I've seen, and I think that's probably what most people have seen. But if your first was the Hugh Jackman version, that might just be your favorite. For me, math, the Matthew Broderick version is my favorite, and I'd be surprised if anything passed it up, but that's also because I saw it first.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:so my point still stands though. Hugh Jackman version is not what stands out to you,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:But it could be if it was the first thing that I saw.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:but it wasn't and probably wouldn't still be.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I don't, uh, that's for me,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Okay.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:be for someone else's.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:You've seen, uh, wicked stage production and movie version.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Is there anything from the movie version that you. Would prefer over the stage version that you saw,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Um, I like the Fiero stuff that they changed with the story. I think that's a little bit
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Hey, done. Point has been proven.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:What, what do you mean?
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:It wasn't your first, you saw the play first, yet you're choosing to prefer the movie.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I'm preferring that aspect of the movie, the performances of the play I like better. I'm trying to think if there's anyone that I, that's not the case for. I think Fierro is very good in the movie. He's the one case where maybe I like him better, but other than that. I, I like the stage version better.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I mean, that's probably true overall, right? But we're talking about individual actors, individual performances. So you can say, I like Robin Williams and or I like Will Smith in the live action version of the Atlanta, which is insane, but you can isolate that over the entire movie. And I could say I don't like his performance, even if I did like the movie, which I don't like the movie, but like I could say that.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right. So while we're talking about this individual actor, Hugh Jackman, right. Honestly. Honestly, watch. She Loves me. Sid might enjoy it too. It's definitely a just feel good romance, romance,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:it.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:comedy thing. And truly, truly. Tell me, is Hugh Jackman so much better than Zachary? Levi,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay. I will, and obviously Zach really, I can sing. He plays tangled
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Glen Ryder, yeah.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:job.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Like really
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:But again. Very different thing between movies and stage because auto tune retakes, right?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:very different thing.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:It for a movie. You're in a studio where everything is optimized for yourself. You're in a plague, you're on stage, you're recording it live. There is no hiding things or taking things away. So like, yes, Zachary Levi, I can sing a little bit, but even though I knew him as Flynn writer. I didn't like associate that with being able to do this level of talent on stage.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:That's
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:was very pleasantly surprised, but I still wouldn't put Zachary Levi on that level of talent either. And
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I think Zachary Levi does a better job than Hugh Jackman.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:In the, okay. Okay. I will do,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:watch it see.'cause I'm, I'm curious. I'm curious.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I You like it? I hope you like it. It's very good.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:All right, let's go to my first one. Yeah. Apple cider vinegar. I did end up watching this show, um, and I had a good time and I actually disagreed with the ending. The last episode didn't have very much caddy stuff like at all. She's,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:A whole
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:the other girl's basically
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:rece with, and what is the other girl doing? Why
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:okay, okay. Um, I mean, she's like obsessed with Mila, which I find is an interesting choice because Mila is a fake person. Like,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:sort of,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:she wasn't ex, she doesn't exist,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:sort of.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:where Bell is real, and they did that mostly for the drama, They're going to have her go kind of into a psychosis where she's making this fake relationship with the person that she looks up to. It's interesting that she would make that a fake person. That would be the choice that you make with the show. I don't
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:There is a real person that she was looking up to who did have that.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:There was multiple different real persons, but it wasn't like one specific individual from what I read earlier today.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:But like if you parcel up the show to like when Belle was becoming pre famous, there was Mila in the show who represented one person, and then there was Mila growing into the big person that she was, and that was a different version. Her bell was becoming famous. There was a different person that Mila played the role of, and then there's the ending part where she was obsessed with somebody, and that was a different person, but was also represented by Mila.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay. Okay. So just represent three individual people.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Mm-hmm.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I was looking at was like there was this person, this person, this person, this person, and
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:There was a handful of others, but yes, there was like three big people in her life that she kind of idolized the three of them.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:interesting. I, uh, thought this was an interesting show, to be completely honest, it is extremely damning of the whole green movement and I was surprised at how damning Netflix was willing to go.'cause this was like, this shit does not work. Go get some medicine. What are you guys doing? Your own morons if you're sitting there juicing and meditating. And that's what I took from the show, which I don't even believe. I believe some of this stuff actually works, but not, uh, I think you can do it plus medicine and put it together, and that's a healthy balance. This show seemed to be like all that hell shit. It's a complete waste of time. Don't do it. That's, I don't know if they meant to perceive that message, but that's actually what I took from it. I, uh, both of these people suck. Mila sucks. Bell sucks in the show. I was like, was an interesting episode, an episode before you realize that Bell didn't give any of the money to that kid with cancer who lost his, who was about to die the$60,000, which is scummy. But the episode before that, I'm like, Mila has cancer growing on her arm, and she's trying to do the same thing to her dying mother, and her mom is going to die going to die. And I was like, bell sucks. She's a sucky person. She's a terrible person. I wouldn't wanna be around her at all. And she's lying and she sucks, but at least she's helping this kid out. She's doing something good. Figured out she wasn't even doing that, but she, I was like, she's doing something good. I don't think it evens it out, but it's something. Mila hasn't done anything good. She's just killing her mom. She sucks. And I, I, in that, I, I, I told Sid, I looked over and I said, how is the dad gonna deal with this? Knowing that his daughter is absolutely lying to him and killing his wife? How do you forgive that? How do you deal with that? And I genuinely wish Miller was real, because I would love to research and hear from her father, how you would in a situation like that, forgive your daughter for basically killing your wife. How do you do that in the show? I was, likem sucks. Miller should die. I hope cancer kills her. She's a horrible human being. And I was like, Belle is a terrible human being who's at least doing something, something good. and in the end of the show, she didn't pay for this kid's cancer. The kid probably dies. I don't really know. I didn't look into that. And, um. They both just suck. They both are just sucky human beings.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I agree.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:look a little bit more into it. I, I researched roughly.'cause I'm surprised with the way that they portray it, that the, um, Clyde would stay with Belle
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:She stayed.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:she's like,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:He stayed with Bell until she went off to do her guru thing
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:okay.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:beyond the show and then was spotted like three months ago with some new girl and
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:okay,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:no comments. I don't wanna talk about it. So.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I'm glad he got outta that. And if he, if she really did like, hold the kid as a hostage situation, blackmail. That's despicable. That's disgusting. But I don't know if that's actually real, that's pretty terrible. Um, she's, I just, I, I, I wanna understand how he got so sucked into that. How he got so influenced, why he didn't leave, why he didn't do something sooner.'cause in the show she is just terrible for years, years
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Mm-hmm.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:really a very interesting show that I'm actually glad that I watched and the cattiness didn't bug me as much as it bugged you.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:It bugged me because it was a different show, right? Like I talked about how at the beginning. It was these ethical dilemmas mixed with this messaging about healthcare, and you called it the green movement. I've never really heard it called that, but we'll go with that. The green movement and then devolved into this personal cattiness, right? So at the beginning it was just a much bigger show and ended on this small petty thing. That's what I didn't like about it.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I didn't like aspects of it. I mostly didn't like the Miller side of it, which makes more sense when you know she's not a real person. Bell with her character, she is idolizing Mila and she's creating this false image of a person that she's trying to be become and being loved by people who don't really give a shit about her. Like she just has a lot of mental problems there. Mila, I couldn't understand why she would care about Belle I guess her friend is hanging out with her, but other than that, you're dying of cancer, you got other things going on, why do you care?
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:That's the point of the show.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:but there's parts of it where she seems like she does care
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah. At the end, when.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:mad, Belle and all these different lies and she's researching it and all of these different things where the, the character that we've come to know, I don't think would care. I don't think she'd do the research. I don't think she'd care. She is
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I believe it 100%.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:No, like she lost her mom.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:She lost her mom and she's dying. Both things are
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah. And Belle came and threw herself into the middle of it for publicity.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right. I 100% believe that that Miller character would
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:We get
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:stick of it. And
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:and do
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:yeah,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:a lot of women are very petty, evil, evil humans.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I was watching this and the entire time I was thinking Bell is what type guys most women are, and women who don't understand how, some guys see, see bad women. Watch this show watch Bell because that is what a lot of men think of women. Is Belle, like Belle is the description.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Spell and Miller, both of them.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Both of them. Yes, absolutely. Like if you want to understand it, watch this show. That's it. Right, right there. It's the
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:description of it I've ever seen.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:yeah, absolutely. But that you, we agree though, right? Like that's, that's what made the ending petty and small is'cause it became so personal and, and so focused on that.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:But like the last episode, wasn't that the last episode? Mila is just dead. Like she's
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah, but her friend
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:episode
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:exacting her vengeance because she asked her to.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Oh, that's the episode beforehand. But yeah. Yeah. She starts doing that last
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:that's, that's all the way to the end.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Belle basically just blows up. And um, also, this is kind of a side topic, but I've never gotten mad at a show for somebody being so incompetent and lying Bell. I was like, what are you doing? There, there, I, I looked it up online. I, I looked it up online. It took me two seconds. Can cancer ever go away on its own? The answer is yes. It's just super rare. Guess what? You could be one of those rare situations if you're gonna go this deep, pay a doctor a hundred thousand dollars,$50,000, whatever you wanna do. Literally the money that you stole from that kid. Just give it to a doctor to give you fake results that said you had cancer and it went away. Well, if you're gonna go with a lie, go with a lie. And then at the end where she says, oh no, I have cancer in my spleen and in my blood, and in my blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What are you doing? You moron. That is obviously gonna be caught. And everyone knows this is a lie. This is an absolute known lie. If you're going to lie, you could do it better. Like it wouldn't even be that hard to do it better. I was frustrated how sucky she was at it.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I wasn't that's hundred percent believable.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Like that's what really happened, and that's what happens when you call people out on their lies and choose to double down.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I know, but usually you can double down and come up with some kind like would just, wouldn't have been that hard to come up with something, some kind of fake evidence. Some even print it off and have it be completely fake. But like try something. Don't just say, oh, the
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:What Compulsive liars do.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:There's a lot of compulsive liars who will double down and they will add evidence to their lie to make it so one, they believe it more and two other people will believe it more. That isn't an uncommon thing.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right, but more often than not, especially when they get to this level where they're conning the world is when they double down, they go back to what worked. Hey, what worked before was telling people I had brain cancer, but now I have spleen cancer. Move the attention over to that, right? Like that's 100%. What people will do is like very successful liars that get to this level, they'll tell a lie, right? They'll build lies based on that lie, and then when they get called out, very often they will tell a separate lie to try and distract from original lie by pointing over here. In this case, I have spleen, blood cancer, right? Like it's not so unbelievably incompetent. You don't believe that. That's a real person and don't believe.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:They absolutely do that, and they do the thing which I, I think the show does pretty well, where Belle, um, just screams and starts crying and being like, how can you treat me so badly? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I also think those compulsive liars, when they're not in those stuck moments, will try to make the lie, feel more concrete, and she doesn't do the thing to make it more concrete, which she, it's just so easy. Just do it. And I felt for trying to be like, I wish you would've lied better. But she just sucked at it like it was bad. It was not good lying. And it would've been very easy to just do a couple things, and she might have not even been caught. if she would've been like my ca the entire time I was screaming at the screen, why would you not say your cancer is in Mauritian? Why would you say you still have brain cancer? That is stupid. Just say you are in remission. ate this food. It made me so healthy, and my cancer is gone. And then there's no proof that you don't have cancer anymore. You just, it went away. Yay. It would've made her lies so much easier. But she still says I still have brain cancer. Stupid.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Okay, so my comments to that is remember the timeframe,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:right? You're talking about it as if we talk about cancer today. The actual events happened in like 2008.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:It was like 2012.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:She first became famous in 2008. She got called out in 2011.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Was it two? Was it that early? I thought it was like
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:when she got called out.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:right. Um, but like her cancer, like cancer back then was much more of a taboo subject. So we throw around terms like, oh, cancer's in remission a lot more casually than people did back then.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:I don't know that I didn't really
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Go back to yourself in 2008, 2009, 2010. Like, yeah, you heard of people getting cancer. It's not like cancer was never a thing, but it was a lot bigger of a deal and it was a lot more serious and it was a lot less casual than it's today. I think we can both agree on that.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:there's probably some truth to that. I honestly don't know.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Mm. That's my experience. It's like, yeah, I heard people say that like, oh, my grandpa got cancer. But like we talk about cancer all the time now, and it's gotten to be a much bigger thing, but it's also like we know so much more about cancer than we did 10 years ago, 12 years ago, 15 years ago. Right. So cancer being in remission, can cancer like the fact that you were just like, yeah, I Googled it, right? Like you think that that was available information on Google?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:It would've been required a lot more work than it did for me right now. I still think you could
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:I think
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:but it would've
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:you could have, but from a reliable re reliable source, which she cares. A character, no, not really, but like. It's a different, you know.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:she is somebody that influences people and takes the time, also found a little inconsistent, but that's fair. She's a narcissist. but she takes the time to try to analyze the names of these different cancers and different things. It seems like you would go and you would research the topic. See, she seems like someone who would've researched the topic be able to come up with some of these lies and lie more effectively.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Except it shows in the show she doesn't.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Does she,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:She hears these phrases and things from other people and takes them
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:it. That's true. That's true.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:right. It, it's very well established from her childhood heart attack to the seizure that she has. She straight up steals it from a kid having a seizure.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:She's like, that's what it looks like. That's what I'm gonna do.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:That's what I'm gonna do instead of actually looking into it and trying to pull the system better. Fair enough, fair enough.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:So
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:from the, that's watching, just if you think cancer is approached that differently from 2010 ish, 12 ish, right? In that area? Um, maybe it is, maybe it's not. I honestly don't know. I don't know.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:it absolutely is. We talk about it a lot more. Outcome of it is a lot more positive than it was 10 years ago, even five years ago.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:That's,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:cancer is such a heavily researched and pushed thing
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:but it has been for
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:that we are making strides. My dad has cancer right now.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:If he was diagnosed two years earlier in the same stage it is now,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:would not be alive.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Already.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Wow, wow,
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Like in 2018 timeframe, his or 2020 timeframe, like his outlook was like two years,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:wow.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:right? Like cancer is progressing. We don't see it progressing because like we don't have cancer for one thing.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:But it
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:hope we don't. Like it is. It's such a heavily researched thing. It's so heavily pushed. There's so many experimental treatments going on all over the world. All of the time.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:like, I. I agree that our research has gone forward a lot, but like Breast Cancer Awareness month started in 1985. I do, we really
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Yeah,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:it that much more.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:yeah, absolutely.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Okay.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Aside from breast cancer.'cause that one has been a big one for a very long time, I fully admit it. Can you name what any of the other cancer colors are?
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Prostate cancer is probably blue, but I honestly don't know that. I
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right. You're, you're, you're picking out the like big advertised one, right? Like, we can remember as kids seeing commercials go get your mammogram, you know, fight breast cancer.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Okay. Prostate is probably the next most advertised one, but
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Lung cancer, but that's a lot because of the smoking and the
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:Right. But those are anti-smoking commercials and anti-smoking things.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:there aren't anti
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:are not like cancer things. They're always like, by the way, smoking causes cancer, you know,
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:yeah. And there's a couple
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:the way.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:more cancer driven, but there are a couple ads. They're not whole campaigns like breast cancer, awarenesses.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:So like, yeah, we can look at breast cancer and be like, yeah, that was, that was in the forefront of everybody's mind in 2008. But other than that, it was just pretty much word of mouth between communities of people. Like, oh yeah, my uncle got cancer, and whatever. It was not like this big thing today, cancer is huge. It is massive. Right? It's so big now that there's the conspiracy theory that, you know, they could cure cancer, but choose not to because of how much money cancer makes. Right. I don't personally subscribe to that because I think curing cancer would be worth way more than what they make, keeping cancer, but Right. Like that's the world that we live in, so. Information not newly as available back then. That's for one thing. You know, use of internet and stuff like, yeah, she's on Instagram and building her brand kind of focus, but she's not necessarily this techie person who's gonna dig into a lot of things like, yeah.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:Interesting. Interesting. are some good points, man. Those are some good points.
josh-dietrich_3_03-19-2025_143624:And like I could have just been protected. I could have just grown up in this little shell where we didn't talk about cancer and there were no cancer ads or anything, but I just, that wasn't my experience at all.
konlin_3_03-19-2025_183617:We're also talking about like a teenage boy more of an adult. And when I was a teenager, unless someone I knew had cancer, I would not have given a crap, like genuinely would not have cared. Even breast cancer awareness month, like this is probably a bad thing, but I didn't care at all. I saw a little pin and I was like, okay, whatever. I did not care Where I'm not a teenager anymore and I have a little bit more of a nuanced mind and a little bit more compassionate than I was before, and so cancer is going to have more of an impact and I'm going to think about it in different ways. Okay. Okay. Even with all of those negatives that I brought up, I honestly did have an enjoy, I did enjoy the show. I, I found it very enjoyable actually. Um, and hopefully Bell is alone and she rots in hell.'cause she's kind of a terrible person. At least that's what I got from the show. And maybe she's not that bad in real life. I actually don't know. But she seems pretty terrible. Like the ultimate Karen. Yeah. I would give the show like a solid 7.3. 7.4. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Around there, Joe. All right. What is your next topic, Ben? I'm really sorry I guys, for everybody, this was gonna be one of our shared topics and I totally forgot I dropped the ball on this. Didn't remember it at all. I've been recommended this show many, many different times, and I absolutely suck for not watching it. Absolutely. A hundred percent my bad. Mm-hmm. That's a big deal, guys like Josh. That's awesome, man. I am really sorry I didn't watch it. Um, I will watch it this week. I suck. I am sorry. I genuinely feel bad. I, uh, so I went and looked at the notes, literally right, but earlier today, before in the, the show and I was like, oh no. And it was 11 o'clock and I was like, this show is way more than four hours. There's no way I can watch this show. Uh, so I watched episode one. That's all I've seen. But episode one was good. Good episode. Great, great. Like the, the episode one was really good. Yep. I agree. Oh, so what would you rate this first season for you? This is like a glowing river. Not That's good. Wow. That's good. That's really good. I'm sorry man, you can't do it. No. They, uh, had this season three that came out last year. Looks like they have a whole gap until 2026 for the next season. I wonder if it's like a end of a show or, I don't know, maybe this is an end of an arc with season three. I don't, I don't know The next season, uh, I hope that it keeps being good. I hope season two delivers. It's not like a big drop off. Okay. I will not forget and I'll watch it this week. You can, you can watch, we can talk about it. All right. With that glowing, glowing review, I'm gonna leave a glowing review also. Um, it's impossible to, it's very hard to rate split fiction without talking about it takes two, and I am going to say split fiction is an absolute must play. 100%. It is a must play game. It's great. It's fantastic. I like it. Takes two better. But the reason I like it takes two better is because I didn't have the issues you had with the game. I enjoyed the whole parents coming back together aspect. I really liked the book. I know the book kind of bugged you, so for me it takes two is this magical ride that I always recommend as being like watching a Pixar movie. When you get into a Credibles. Incredibles just like sucks you in or rat. It just sucks you in. For me, it takes two was like that. It it's fine. It wasn't that way for you. It was for me, and everything felt very full. Like when I go into a new area, there's a game over here, there's a little game over here. There's some puzzle that I found over here and I wanted to explore Every inch of every map, split fiction doesn't have that aspect. You are much more on a straight journey that you're just going through, and the journey is fantastic. It is just a straight journey that pulls you through and every once in a while you get a little side quest. Side. Quest also is fantastic, but it doesn't feel like as much of a full universe that you're exploring and becoming a part of that doesn't change. The fact that the journey that you're on is fantastic. It's very, very well done. Some of these side stories are just great. There's one where you as the main characters are basically the, the, the basic premise of play fiction for people who don't know is you have two authors that get sucked into each other's stories, and you have a machine that is basically acting as AI and it's sucking people's ideas from them so that this company can own creativity. That's the basic premise. I don't find that premise as effective as it takes two, but still effective. It still works. So you go into these two different universes and when you're in the fantasy universe, you'll have little side stories that are. More sci-fi. And when you're in the sci-fi world, you have more side stories that are fantasy and some of the side stories are extremely good. There's one where a sun is going supernova, and you have to cause a black hole in the middle of the sun to keep the system from exploding. And it's very cool. It's just a cool side story. It's very fun. I loved the puzzle. There's one where you are climbing where, where o Ogers are taking over the city and you have to escape through the tower to get out of the city in time while the o ogers are chasing you. It's absolutely awesome. Very, very cool. Um, there's one where you are going through one of the character stories, and she wrote this when she was like five. And, um, you are a, uh, you're, you're a tooth and you're going to the dentist and the dentist is horrifying and it's really, really well done. The, uh. The main stories for each of the characters are very smart. The gameplay in a large section of this game is better than the first one. The, it's more game ish, which was hard for my wife. The first one felt a lot more simple and it, for her skill level, it was a little bit easier. There were times in this game where she felt a little bit more like, like it was a little too hard for her, but I liked the gameplay aspects. I liked the homages to games of the past. They did a very good job with that. There's times where you're a side scroller and you're shooting like you do with a side scroller. There's times where you're up, down, up top, like you do in Diablo. It's very, very cool. They honor a lot of aspects of gaming. I don't think it flows quite as well, but when it hits, it hits so so well. Like. Unbelievably well, there are gameplay aspects of this game that will be stuck in my mind forever. There's one part where you play as I'm not, I'm not gonna give a lot of spoilers. I want you to just enjoy this, but there's a pinball part where you play as the pinball and it is freaking amazing and you are going to love it. Like absolutely love it. When I played this, I turned to, uh, turned to Sydney and I was like, Josh, we'll love this section. It is super, super cool the very end of this game. If the rest of the game was completely mad, if the rest of the game was nothing to write home about, I would recommend people play this game for the end section of this game for the final bus. It is that freaking cool the entire time. I was like, how did they pull this off? How did they think of this? How did they do it? I've wanted this since I was like a child. It is just awesome. Straight up. Super cool. And I am so unbelievably excited for you to play it, especially this end section'cause I thought it was just so damn cool. Um, I was thinking of other like final bosses that are some of my favorites. The final of a game that's my favorite is Outer Wilds. And I don't think anything will ever top it, but this is like up there. It's that good. I love the ending of this game. I love it so much and it's gonna be cool when you play it. Sweet. You'll probably be, it took us 17 hours and that's, Sydney honestly struggled a little bit. Um, I think for you guys it might be like 14, but dude. There are some, some segments of this game you're just gonna love. It's, they're really good. Like really, really, really good. I think so too. Um, it's, it's just, it's really good. It's really good. It, I love the fact that they're keeping this kind of gaming alive. Like I actually wanna celebrate just the fact that Hazel Light is doing that. That you have these games that require two people, it's couch co-op. They don't make a lot of games like that anymore. Like Halo Infinite, I don't even think ever got that, which sucks. Um, and it's just a cool thing. Like it's something that should be stay alive.'cause it's fun to just sit on the couch with somebody, especially somebody like my wife, who really, she didn't grow up playing video games. And she can play it with me. And we can both have fun. Like that's a cool thing. And regardless of the small, small negatives I have for this game, um, it's just fantastic. It's so creative. It's so good. People should buy this game. You should, you should play this game. It's just good. Two. Yes, it will. This is gonna be way better than what you've been playing. Um, alright. What? Oh no, it, it, it is, I'm positive that this will be better than what you're playing. This is just a great game. I don't think, yeah. This is better. This is better. This is better. I don't care. This is better. This is like an all time great game. This is better. That's very true. That is very true. I don't know, man, if you have one of the best hours of your life and you just have kind of a game that you play, which one really is a better cost per dollar? I will never forget, ever. I will never forget the end of Swift Tion ever in my whole life. I will never forget it. That's how cool I thought it was. That's a better use of my dollar. All right. With that. Let's go to our last topic, Josh. I actually thought it was awesome. I genuinely really liked this and was very impressed and I am giving it some pro, probably being a little bit easier on it because it is a fan made thing. I do the same thing with Star Wars films. I'm a little bit easier on them, but considering this was a fan made movie, like it's remarkable. They did such a good job. I love, I, I pretty much just love it. Like it was just really, really well done in almost every aspect. The actors do a good job. I liked the, the set designs. I liked the camera work. I liked, it was just good. It was just good and I would recommend it. Great job. I. Yeah, I agree. It's fan made, like there are some fan made aspects to it. Okay. Really? Okay. Okay. I don't put it as good as either of the two, but that's pretty crazy. So I am actually, I have this on my other screen and I was just looking through it, and it's not that shaky, man. It really isn't. There's, there's a part where they are running down the trench and that part they didn't, it, it is shaky. That part is shaky, but the rest of it really is not that bad. For real. It's pretty clear. Like it's just, hold on. Okay. The rest of it I think, actually looks good. For real. I really do think it looks good. The running down the trench is, is shaky. I'll g I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one. It is shaky, but other than that it's not like terrible. It's not born, like, it doesn't take as much as born. Yeah. It's terrible. Like that's terrible. weird choices. I just, yeah, but I didn't have that problem. I do think it's weird that I didn't notice the shaky as much with the tre trenches.'cause it's, it's pretty shaky. It's not like, like born on the camera looks like it's shaking like this. With the trenches, it looks like the camera is going like this, which is rough. Oh, I, I'm, I'm saying that that's, that is probably worse with the trench scenes, but with Bourne it's like the entire thing is like, ah. It's like you're on a bouncy ride. It's terrible. I did Miss Misspeak on that part.'cause the trenches are, they're rough. They're rough. I'll admit it. I'll admit it. I'll admit it. I'll admit it. But there's also like that scene where the alien is like on the sand and there's the sunset behind it, and it's just so freaking cool. It's just so well done, so good. yeah, and you have the red flare and they're in the, the, the, uh, not, what are they called, where little areas where the people live, basement areas. Um, and you can see like the red light going through and you have the alien that's in there. It's just, it's really good. I, I really like it. I did, I. I was grateful that you sent this to me. I was surprised it was one of the better, if not best fan made films that I've ever seen. What there, there's, uh, that's where I would have to debate. There are a lot of really good fan made stars, star Wars, and there are probably some that are better than this, but this is up there, man. For me, this was up there like for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought this was solid. A, this was solid a to me. And there are some Este Star Wars. You were correct. And then there's the, uh, um. Uncharted fan made mill a film that is phenomenal. Um, and then my, my favorite one actually is Grayson, it's, um, night Wing. That fan made show is my favorite fan made show of all time. But this is up there. That's what I'm saying. This is up there. Cool. And, uh, like the Darth Mall apprentice is really good. That's, that's hard to beat. It's really good. I mean, that's, it is the Darth Mall apprentice is like actual movie level good. Like it's really good. Yeah. There's a lot of good fan made stuff out there. A lot of people have done really well. don't like the alien movies, you might still like this. Honestly, it's a little, it's not exactly the same as Alien. It is an alien thing, like you're put off by just the alien. Hopefully you guys will watch it. It's worth watching. I think it's worth watching. And I like supporting fan made stuff That's well done.'cause it's hard to make this, this high quality of anything, especially when you don't have the budget. Just to make something like that is impressive and deserves to be recognized. that would be sweet. I. That would be sweet. I mean the Prey movie with Predator, it kind of started off as being some kind of small idea like this and then they made a full movie and it's great. Well, I think that that is our episode. We appreciate you guys watching. As always, thanks for sticking with us this week. If there's anything that we can do to be better, any comments you want us to respond to, anything at all, we just appreciate you guys and we'll do anything for you. See ya. Bye.
