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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Adolescence - Week 25: Episode 1
Adolescence - Week 25: Episode 1
The Life List, Lies of P, Adolescence
00:00 - The Life List
29:12 - Lies of P
1:00:19 - Adolescence
Hey everybody. It is onscreen offscreen back with another week. why don't you kick it off? Our topics are actually, are they
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:It's a shared topic this time?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Shared topics completely this time. So we'll start with lies. P what did
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Oh wow. This is just shared topics. I didn't realize that. You also watch this show.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I did,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Did you watch it? Because of what I want.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I watched it'cause it looked interesting.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay. well let's start with that one'cause we're,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:talking about it. Uh, the Life List. Um, this is a newish Netflix movie with the same basic premise as the Ultimate Gift. Uh, basically a certain individual is kind of entitled Little Shithole, and their parental figure passes away and. In order to get their inheritance, they have to complete a series of tasks which is ultimately better for their lives. Um, and the ultimate gift is his grandpa, and he has to learn the value of work and then learn the value of money, and then learn the value of giving X, Y, z, whatever. Um, and the life list, it is a daughter and mother, or the mother passes away, um, and the daughter has to complete a series of tasks to get her inheritance. Um, so the, the things I wanted to bring up here is, uh, the ultimate gift is 32% tomato meter, 84%. Audience score 7.3 on IMTB with generally positive feedback. Uh, the reaction to the life list is generally negative. So I discovered this show, this movie on TikTok, and I pulled it up because it sounded kind of like the ultimate gift. And I love the ultimate gift. I've always loved the ultimate gift. Um, and the comments on the clip of the movie was, this Mom is so evil. This is so manipulative, what she's doing, it's just wrong. X, y, z, whatever. And this show has not as good reviews. It has a 47% tomato media, 72% audience score, seven out of 10 on IMDB, and this movie is better than the ultimate gift in every single way.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Really
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:every single way. There is nothing about the ultimate gift that I would say is better other than maybe like casting that, that has like bigger named actors, but I don't think that they do a better job. Um, but it's better in every single way. The the relationship is more personal because it's a mother daughter rather than grandpa grandson. Uh, the outcome of the movie is so much better because in the ultimate gift, he ends up getting his inheritance of a hundred million dollars and he gives it all away. And because he gives it all away, his real inheritance turns into everything. He gets the entire whole of inheritance. And the reason I don't like that is because the grandpa had other children, other grandchildren. So basically because this one. Sky churned his life around. It became better. The rest of them get screwed out of everything and they get nothing. Now I, it's just, I don't love that. Um, but it's a mother daughter, the, they're close to begin with and the ultimate gift, they were like distant. Uh, the grandpa's whole thing was like I failed to do'cause I wasn't really present and, you know, you turned into this entitled little a-hole.'cause all I ever did was give you money. Um, but it's like, it was this good relationship with this good person of the mother and a good person who's the daughter. And they do a very good job of establishing that. Like neither of these people are perfect either. Um, you know, the mother has spent. The first little third of the movie is basically like the perfect mom, the perfect person. Everybody loves her. She's just great. She's, and then they're like, yeah, but she's made mistakes. You know? So I was a big fan of that. Um, and, uh, while there's this like overplayed, she doesn't know what she's doing, this list four thing, um, it's very obvious what her inheritance will be
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:on the fact that they're like, you can't sell the house till New Year's. Oh, by the way, you have to do your list by New Year's. but we're not gonna tell you what your inheritance might be. Um, so it was like, okay, basic math would tell you it's probably the house and, uh. And the ultimate gift, the list of things is like conjured by the grandpa. He's like, okay. So my grandson is entitled, he, he's never worked a day in his life. So the first task is he has to learn the value of work. So he has to go work on a farm firm month, right? And okay, but in a life list, it's a list of things she wanted to accomplish when she was 13.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So her list, you know, is, is the driving force. And while I wish I could have seen more of her. doing the list
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Me
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:and the reaction, it's the same premise of like, they each get more videos as they accomplish tasks. Um, but it's very well established in the lifeless that like there's individual specified videos. For each thing. Whereas in the ultimate gift, he has to follow a progression. So as soon as he learns the value of work, then he has to learn the value of money. Then he has to learn The right. So he has to go through a progression. Whereas this one, she can do in any order she wants, and as soon as she gets a tattoo, she gets the tattoo video and as soon as she went to the piano, she gets the piano video and as soon as she does this, she gets that video.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:The comedy video.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. So it's, it's so much more better it, it feels way more personal between the two characters. It makes it like the mom took the actual effort to make these individual responses to her reactions. The mom's writing is way more effective in kind of showing that like she knew her daughter so well, she knew how she would be responding. So even though her character had passed away, it felt way more like. Worthwhile to, for her to accomplish the goals, to get to see the videos rather than to get to see the inheritance. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's a good point.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:in the ultimate gift, he has a task to get something good and like show gratitude from the other family members, right? And so he's like, Hey, it's Thanksgiving, so we're all gonna go around and say one thing we're thankful for, which the family doesn't do. And it kind of just glazes over that fact and moves on to the next thing. And I'm like, he didn't accomplish that. He just didn't do it. He didn't get them to be grateful. He didn't get them to, you know, it, it just skips over it. Um, so there's, there's That Um, the other thing I really like about the life list is the romantic relationships. She basically goes through three romantic relationships where she's like, I don't really believe in myself. I'm not really confident, so I'm going with the comfortable guy. And then she goes onto another relationship that's like this doctor dude, and she's like, trying to figure herself out, but she's like having this more confidence. And what I love about it is the guy is great. He's a good guy. You know, it's not like the, the traditional, well now he's, she's gonna be with this terrible guy and she's gonna be in this terrible situation and she's gonna be trying to force it so she can check off the find true love box.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That was the thing that I appreciated from the movie the most is even the guy at the beginning who was kind of the, the loser guy that plays video games, he's not the stereotypical loser guy that plays video games. At the end. Her boyfriend is like, he's the one who made that game. That's so cool. That's awesome. He did that. Like he actually accomplishes something. He creates a company. He has some kind of success instead of just being a loser. That was part of her past. I appreciated that so much
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Well, both, both of the exes in this situation are just guys who are good. Who did not fit the bill. Yeah. who just it wasn't compatible. Right. Like she had different aspirations than playing video games or testing video games or working in this test video game company.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:It just didn't meant it's a lot more emotionally mature
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. absolutely. And then the, the Dr. Guy, right, like I think the Dr. Guy is completely justified. In calling her friends trash because her friends show up unannounced, treat everyone like crap, especially him, and then leave.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And for him to be like, I don't wanna spend time with these people, and her just to like, uh, wave him off like it's nothing. And it's just like, oh, They're just that's just how they are. Like how they are sucks.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yep.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:What her friend did about the find true love list thing is terrible.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I agree completely.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:and he's completely. justified in that. And then they don't even break up. Now the one thing I don't like is the cheating part.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Me too.'cause
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:cause.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:you had the emotional maturity of every other relationship and instead of him just saying, you know what, we broke up because of you and I like you. Which wouldn't have been that hard to do. They had to into the drama aspects and make it kind of dumb.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:They both cheated, right? Her and the doctor weren't broken up at that point.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:he was broken up with her, they broke up on that trip, like before the
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yes. But she didn't know.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:said that.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:He didn't know he wasn't cheating so she cheated right In this kind of like, well, we were both cheating so we can, you know, but then he, wasn't, and I didn't really love that. Like
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I didn't either.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:before the trip happened, her and the doctor should have had a breakup conversation. And after the, the model and the lawyer broke up, I. They should have had a conversation and they should have bonded over this mutual heartbreak situation.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah, that would've been better.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, but other than that, this is so much better. of a movie. It like, like I said, every single way, the ultimate gift is like a once every 10 years kind of movie. For me, I've seen it like three times in my life. I'm almost 30. Um, this is gonna be way more frequent of a show for me. I I absolutely love this movie. It's great. And the reaction being negative is just terrible.'cause I think it's why it's being teared down on the, the, the ratings.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I agree that it's stupid that it's lower rated'cause it's just a good movie. I was impressed with it. I was really impressed with Sophia Carson. I've seen her in other things and she's always seemed kind of fine to me. I think she's really good in this movie and I don't understand the complaint of the mom being terrible. Is it terrible to have to like earn something? Is earning things bad and a mom
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I think that, okay, so really quick, I do think it, the criticism that it's manipulative is kind of fair because it's inheritance for one thing and for another. nobody else had to,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:the
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:right. She didn't say,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:is kind of fair.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:didn't say, everybody has to work for this. She even gave an in-law the inheritance that the daughter thought she was entitled to Right. So there is some inequality, right? And they do bring it up in the movie, which I do appreciate. There's the whole scene of like the brothers being like, we might have been closer with dad, but like, you had this bond with mom we never had. And what's it like to have those videos? Like, you get that, you get the videos even, and we still, you know, do that and they watch the videos together. And then there's also the scene where, um, the, the daughter is being all entitled, bitchy. And the sister-in-law comes up to her and says like, what is you know, the, the daughter's like, what are they even going through? I'm having to do all this kind of stuff. And they're like, their mom died too. They, they miss her too. And the daughter goes, oh crap. I have been making this all about me. That's another thing that I love about this movie is like in the ultimate gift, they don't bring that up in the ultimate gift. Just to go back to the relationships things, it's never really clear whether or not he's using the romantic partner for his end goal rather than in this movie where they seem like genuine relationships. But go ahead, continue with what you were going on.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I, uh, I like that aspect of the movie too, and I like that the put the implication, put the clause of like, you might not fall in love in a year. This was a goal, but it's okay if that doesn't happen. in my opinion, like if my parents want to give me something when they die, they can, but it's their stuff. And if they don't want to give it to me, oh, well, if they wanna make me run through hoops and my sister's not, that's kind of their choice. So I don't see that as manipulative or a bad thing. I. Because it's their money. They're the one that worked for it. Like, if I'm getting a free gift of a house or whatever it is, that is fantastic. I'm so grateful that they gave me that. I, I just, and if they have things that are required to be able to get that, I can choose not to do the requirements. I can choose to do the requirements. They're still giving me a whole lot to not have to do a, do very much or just to better my life. I, I don't
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I, I agree with that to a point,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:thing.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:right? I agree that like, you should just be grateful. I agree. Not to be entitled to it. The entitlement is a big thing. Absolutely agree with you there. Uh, the part that I disagree with is, let's say, you know, your parents said, Hey, Conland, we've got this big property out in Lakeview. We're gonna give your sisters their share. They don't have to do anything. And Conland, you have to change everything about the way you're living your life right now.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I can say no. Like, does that
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I know you can say no. but I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Would,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:still think it's not right to say, Conland, you have to change everything but sisters, you don't have to do anything. Right. Like I'm saying, my point is they're your children. If your deathbed wish is that they learn life lessons that they just haven't quite figured out yet, there's no way that you, conlin are the only person who has life lessons to learn.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Well, there could be. Like, I'll take my, uh, my dad's family, my uncle and my aunt have a lot of struggles. A lot of struggles. More than the rest of the family. And if it was required for my in particular to do some things with his life to get the inheritance, which it wasn't, I actually think it would've been good for my uncle in particular
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:other people.'cause the inheritance mattered a lot to him. And my grandpa just kind of split the inheritance between everybody. He tried to do it the fair way. He didn't want his kids to fight, which I also understand. But if my grandpa actually did this and he had a decent amount of wealth when he died, if he would've actually done this, I think it would have been good for that one uncle to literally be treated differently. I think it would've helped him.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I prob I agree with you. Right? But again, my point is they all gotta work for it or none of them should because like straight up, either the person who has to work for it is the favorite and everybody else is gonna feel like crap and it's gonna cause severe trauma, right? If, if my parents died and they were like, Hey, every other child gets theirs fair square. But Josh, you have to change everything about your life. Depression is gonna be screaming at me the whole time that like, not only do I feel like I've been a failure my entire life, everybody else in my family has known it too.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:what if the, the parents don't think the other kids really need to change that much, like they're doing good, but you have this one kid who honestly is kind of screwing up and really does need to change some things.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:But everybody, nobody's perfect and everybody needs to grow somewhere if it's imbalanced. Right. Right. Let's take,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:it's imbalance, like it's harder for the one
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. It, it shows me that like, okay, they took the time to individualize it, right? So I have my oldest brother, he's the perfect child. He's the perfect job. He has the perfect wife. He has the perfect kids, right? Like, I get it. He's a lot closer to that perfection line that we're all striving for than I am. I'm okay with that. I accept that. I acknowledge that. So for me to have to do harder things or more things than him makes sense. But for a parent to go out and be like, you don't have to do anything. You're already great. You don't have to do anything. You're already great. You have to change everything about your life, I think is across that moral line of bad, right? Because it's, it's delusional to say some person. has to work for it or to, has work to do and others don't.'cause nobody's perfect. We all have issues. We all go through crappy things and we all need to try to do better somehow, right? So, so like I said, like if it's imbalanced and hey Conlin, you gotta do this and sister A, you have to do that, and sister B, you have to do that. And Conlin goes. I have more things on my list to do, or my list is way harder. I have to change like fundamental things about myself. And you kind of just have to tweak some things. Fine. Absolutely. Like that makes sense. It shows you love your kids, you know your, all of your kids intimately, right? And you're saying, I don't want to just give you something. I want you to earn it. You're not entitled to anything. I 100% agree. Don't be entitled. But I think it's like ethically, it's wrong to say person A for the same thing. You have to work for it and person B, you don't. And emotionally, I think it's manipulative and kind of wrong to to do it that way too.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay. I can see your point of view. I can get it. I think with the different levels it's That's fair. That's fair. Because it would feel Sophia's character. It would feel bad the only person that has to do anything. And your sister-in-law, somebody who's not even the kid, received millions and millions of dollars. But it would be hard not to feel unfair either way, to be completely honest, because she's expecting to receive this company that is a very, very successful company and she gets a house. Those aren't very even. I, I thought about that towards the end. Go ahead.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, first things first. The house is worth way more than that. Business is. They're in like New York or something like that. House is easily worth$3 million.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Isn't this a pretty successful company? I bet it's worth more
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:It's fairly successful,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:you
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:but it's like a
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:pretty successful business.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:it's not like massively successful. Like you talk about millions and millions, my guess is it's worth like a million, you know, there is a difference because a business makes money, right? So like over time the business is worth more, but like, status wise of how things actually are. A, the sister-in-law doesn't outright own the company. The kids all still own their share of the company. The sister-in-law just inheritance running the company. So like, if the house is sold, each kid would get 200 K, and if the business is sold, each kid gets 250 K. Right? Second point is it's not fair of outcome, it's fair of input. That's the goal is we're talking about fairness. The other direction, not fairness of outcome,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I do think the business would be worth more because I don't think you afford the house without the business that can afford the house. But
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:but the business is a shop where they sell beauty products. And while those can be pretty successful, they're not in the like buco millions of dollars like you already have to suspend your disbelief that they have a marketing person.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I mean, it depends. There are some beauty brands. That make massive, massive amounts of money, like
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yes, but they tend to be on the manufacturing side, not the sales side.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Is this just a di distributor? Is that what the business was? Was just
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:distributor.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:No, it's not a warehouse It's A physical shop, like at a mall.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Like you have to go in, they ha they, they have beauty products from all the different companies. It's like a Bed, bath and Beyond, and people come in to buy stuff. Yeah. But like on a small scale.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Small scale. This isn't a on malls all over the country
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:This is like has one location.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay. That's a different story. That's smaller.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's smaller for sure. Um, over overall I thought this was a good movie. think it's good. one that I was surprised by. Um, and I'll, I'll watch it again too.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So where would you rate this movie on a scale of one to 10?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I guess seven and a half. Good, good. Solid movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What about you?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Eight. Just slightly above that. Yeah. Because I can say, Hey, this is regular, gonna be in my watch rotation every few years And I already recommend the ultimate gift. I still would recommend the ultimate gift. It's still a same sort of wholesome, like better your life kind of movie.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:And
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I will also be,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:even when this one is just a better version of that.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. There are a few things the other one does better. So in the Ultimate gift there's this little girl who's got cancer who basically, her grace to the guy is what ultimately changed, changes him, not the desire for his inheritance.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So that one, it's a little bit different where there's this third party and the ultimate gift is this Little Girl's grace. Um, so like it still has things about it that is, is different and is still really, really great and I would still say, Hey, you should watch that movie. There's like three of'em, the Ultimate Life and the Ultimate Something or other. Those ones absolutely are garbage. They suck, they're not worth watching at all. But the ultimate gift is still really, really good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What would you rate The ultimate gift.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:7.5 out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay. Okay, cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah, there are absolutely things about it I don't like, there's a few things about this one I don't like, but like at the end of the day, they're just wholesome. They're so positive for you. They're so good. Like both of these movies, you walk out of it and you're like, Hey, I need to make my life better. I need to do better. I need to, I need to start doing those things. And like, where did I wanna be when I was 13? And am I measuring up to those things? No. Okay. But you, it's not like a a negative, like, oh man, I don't even live up to what I wanted to be when I was 13. You go out of it and you're like, man, I should start working on those things. I should start doing the things like that would be really good for me. You know? It's just positive. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah. This literally made Sid bring out a journal from when she was in college about what out she wanted her life to be like and read it uh, refocus her life. It literally made a difference for her.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And these are both like, I would follow it up like this week, go to Conlin and said, watch the ultimate gift. Just enjoy it. Don't go into it with like, oh, this is the same movie, but worse. Like, it's its own thing. It's older, it's got some issues with it for sure, but like, it's still a great movie. Just watch it and enjoy it just like you did with this one.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:what's her name? Abigail Breon Brion in it, and I think she's great.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. And it has the old guy, um, from, what is that show called? Simple. Rules Eight
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Simple. Oh, it does? Oh, cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Eight Simple Rules. Yeah. Eight Simple Rules. Um, the Grandfather, um, which I like, I, I I genuinely just really, really like both of these movies. Yes, I think one is better than the other and will be a more frequent watch for me. But they're both still watching. If, if no, if listeners have not watched either of these movies, watch it. Watch both of them. Like
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:time.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:They're worth your time. They make you feel good. Who doesn't wanna feel good? Watch.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Everybody does.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:All right with that, we'll move on to something that's a little bit different. Lies
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Little bit. Just a little bit.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:just a little different. I suck at this game, but basically what I said last week, I still believe, um, I think your dark comment is pretty fair, but mostly I. I think mechanically, this is probably the best one. I suck so bad and I'm still stuck on that same boss. I restarted my whole play through and replayed up to that boss to try to get better. And I am still stuck on this stupid boss I have. Uh, orphan of cost is the only other boss that's ever made me this stuck ever. I'm so stuck on this stupid boss. I've watched tutorial videos. I don't get why I suck so bad. It pisses me off, but I think the game is excellent.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay. What did you think? You beat the whole thing. Josh beat the
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I did,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I haven't stuck on one boss,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I did. I put more hours into it though.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:You
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Like I had a straight two days off where I did nothing. Play this game. Um, I take back my dark comment.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Oh, really? Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. So I beat the game and I have been absolutely elated about this game. Like they're, like, the post credit scene has got me so excited. Um, and so I went into this deep dive with about like the lore of this game, the mechanics of this game, X, Y, z, whatever. So my new criticism is actually an old criticism of the game. So, uh, the first one I'll bring up is you're stuck on this boss. And it was brought up to me in a very, in a review video about lies of p about like the camera position,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's a good, good
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So it was drawn. Out, um, I believe it was Aspen Gold who did it. That was basically like, so when you're fighting the cleric like you are right now, you see your character and he's this big and the actual enemy is this big and the screen is this big. So while the he is moving this way, you're not gonna see it because you can't see the whole screen.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And I'm like, okay, that is a fair criticism of it.'cause basically,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I struggled with a far, far the fire guy at all was
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:yeah. Yeah. Um, it's a fair criticism. Absolutely. Um, it does make it harder and it doesn't feel fair because in like Dark Souls and stuff, you lose because you did something wrong. This one you basically have to lose in order to learn the entire movement set in order to move forward. Right. Fair criticism the next one. Is the animations of the enemies, particularly the cleric and the one of the ending bosses, depending on which ending you choose. Um, that, he has two moves. One is to set his thing on his shoulder, which is a good time to attack him and get some damage in. And the other one is a down slam that. does massive amounts of damage. And the ability to tell which move he's doing is impossible.'cause the,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Oh,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:part of the animation is the exact same. Exactly the same. So me as a player, I don't, I get to attack and then get slammed or not attacked and miss an opportunity to attack so it doesn't feel fair. Whereas in like dark souls and stuff, they do a lot better job of telegraphing the boss fights.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:going happen? Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Um, so. That is also a fair compare, fair complaint, um, about the Caden and my biggest complaint about it, because that boss with the arm resting thing, it's basically the only time to hit him because the other criticism about lies of p is that these bosses, because their animations chained together so well, can go on like five to 10 hit chains. There's the like robot thing that does the smacking thing.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Like if you get downed by that,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:you're
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:you can just get Yeah. It, it'll just smack you and smack you and smack you and smack you and smack you and smack. Like it can go, it can do that for like eight times in a row. I don't think that there's a, that's a fair complaint anymore. This review came out when the game had just come out and at that time you weren't allowed to roll out of damage. Out of stunts now. It's just innate. You get that automatically. So I don't think that's really a fair complaint anymore because you still get your chance to do damage. You just have to be patient. And when you do damage, which I think is like a good thing in these kinds of games where They the whole thing is be aggressive, but now it's be aggressive when it's time to be aggressive and be patient the rest of the time. I think that's a good thing. That's how I play these games. That's how I play bloodborne. Right. If you just go in and you be aggressive all the time, you. should be punished for that. I think that's fair.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah, sometimes you
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:have to step away, dodge, wait for the attack, then attack
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:absolutely. So I don't think that's a fair part of the, the, the fair part of the complaint for me is that the animations are so similar, if not exactly the same, that it doesn't give me a chance to actually do. It fairly.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:You can't even learn because there's difference.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. So like he's, he's putting it on his shoulder and he's putting it on his shoulder and then slamming, like, and you just, you just basically have to play that fight with, I'm just gonna have to take that hit and heal when he's doing other things and hope I can get through and do enough damage enough, efficiently enough, and in enough time that I don't run out of heels, because I'm just gonna have to take that hit. I don't love that. So my initial reaction to beating this game was a reaction, surprising to even myself of, is this game better than bloodborne? And as I sat on it, it has cooled off, and I'm like, Okay. No, it's not better than Bloodborne for me. However, this game is still top five game of all time for me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That is fantastic, man. I love to hear that. That's really cool. That's really cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, you, you brought it up in last time we talked about Liza P. This is a much more intriguing and telegraphed story,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:and if I were to play this game just kind of cold, I would've been like, Hey, that's a pretty cool story. But the fact that I get the reward of being a Souls fan and reading and getting into the lore and doing so pays off massively. Like massively. So you are about to, your next section is the Opera House, and there is a storyline there between two Sisters, which is. Fantastic.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:that's really cool. I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And if I. were to play it cold, I would've gotten this much of the story, but because I got into items, descriptions, I got this much story. And is this much story a solid story that you can be like, oh, hey, that was cool. Yes, it's,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:and that is amazing about this game. it's, like, hey, you could do it and you won't feel like you're missing out on anything. But if you do that little extra work, it turns into something awesome. It turns into something great. Uh, my next, uh, glowing thing about this game, thus soundtrack.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:that's great.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So this game has done something for me that I have never done before.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Taken a song from it and added it to my regular playlist.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:you haven't done that for Halo or
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Nope. I have like a games playlist, so like the sea shanties from Assassin's Creed four. That's on my like games playlist,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:but the song feel made it into my regular playlist, as in, I will turn this on and listen to it anytime.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's really cool. That's really cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:The soundtrack to this game is so great. I, I cannot comprehend it, and here's why I can't comprehend it. The game developer for this game has made How many games before this one, if you were to guess?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I think this is their only, I thought this was their first game. No.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:no Okay. If you didn't know that though, how many games would you think it took them to get to this point? Based on the quality of game?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I would've guessed this was like their third or fourth is honestly what I would've assumed.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:They have made one game before this one.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's really cool. I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:This is basically their first attempt and their other game was a garbage M-M-O-R-P-G that nobody played. So like this is their first souls attempt and to get it this right is fantastic. It is insane. I, I honestly like, I kind of thought the same thing you did. I thought this was their first game. Um, but if I were to have guessed, I would've guessed this was like their 10th game. Right. Most game developers nowadays that come out of this kind of shadows are like, they built five mobile games before they take a run at like a full production game. And their full production game is usually garbage. And then they kind of figure some things out and they do like two or three other smaller games before they do a big budget thing. But like. The marketing behind this game made it feel aaa, like we knew about this game years ahead of it coming out. We were so excited for it. We both started playing the demo like the first week that we could play the demo. Um, so everything about this was like big developer, big things. Even the publisher isn't even big. So it just goes to say like, how good the quality of this game is to have brought in this audience. Now I do think It's a assisted because of the IP
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:IP and
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:of it being Pinocchio.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:yeah, smart marketing. It's just a really good starter video. Their trailer video was really good when they first came out. Like it was just, it really popped off They, they did a lot of smart things with the way that they presented this game
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:really wanted a bloodborne too, and it fit into that really well.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Absolutely. So, uh. Let's talk about that bloodborne. My last video, I was like, you know, I, I wish it was darker, but that was me wanting bloodborne too. After sitting with it, I realized this is not bloodborne tomb. It's not the same theme. It's not Victorian horror. This is steam punk.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's true.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:It doesn't need to be darker. It is steampunk. It is its own thing
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I think
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I need to get rid of.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:were dark would actually be, it would be better. Like there's parts where it should be darker than it is. I, I think it's actually a fair, fair point.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah, but That's true. of any game.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's true.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Any game that gives you some sort of like lighting source, it usually should be darker than it actually is, but I don't think it detracts from the game is my thing is like, would it be better if
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:this certain section was darker and the lamp was actually useful here and give it some more interesting things. Absolutely I. do, but I don't think it detracts from it that it's not anymore because I'm like, it's, it's how it is. It's steam punk. It's not horror. It is steam punk. Um. so me disassociating it in that way and saying it's not bloodborne too was huge. And I'm like, okay. I I love it for what it is. I do prefer the horror, Victorian horror theme more that is more in line with my kind of thing. I don't really like steampunk or cyberpunk things. It's not as big for me personally, but having it be its own thing is great. Uh, now here's like in comparing it to souls and like bloodborne, here's the thing that I cannot give it enough credit for it. What is your least favorite area in bloodborne?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Um. I honestly don't know
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:favorite area
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:a lot of people it's the, um, swamp, poison swamp area, and basically all of the, from soft games. And they love ha like Miyazaki loves to have the,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yes, it does.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:the, okay this has It still, to be fair, uh, but it does it better
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:it does
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:than any of the front zone. You haven't gotten there yet. It does it better.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What I thought, oh,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:it does it better. It's it's whole area
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:right before,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:No.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:uh, the flame guy. That's not what we're talking about. It's a
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Nope. different swamp. It's, it's a whole big area. It's a, it's, so here's why it does it better. In Froms Soft, you basically have to decide, I'm going to get poisoned. I need to build up all of my resistances and basically gut my character of its biggest strengths while fighting the new toughest enemies. While it does this thing to me, in lies of pee, there's enough of a area that if you are skilled enough, you can stand on it without getting poisoned. So in bloodborne, basically, Okay. I'm gonna put on all my poison resistance thing. I'm gonna equip my poison cure. I'm gonna do this while I'm trying to do this big fight. In this one, it's like, you can stand on this island.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:you screw up for a second, you're gonna get knocked off it and you're gonna pay twice the the bad because you don't have that resistance. And I absolutely. love that. I think that was a phenomenal decision because it lets you continue to use the bill that you've been making with just this mentality of if I do it well enough, I can do it faster and better. Uh, all I, I'm just constricted by I have to be on this little island while the big things are not, are able to move wherever. Right. So it makes like that section of game better to me, just outright. It's better. Um, yeah. Are you okay if I talk about the post credit scenes now?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Do you want me to wait?'cause it's. Story
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:man.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:spoiler warning.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I've, I've had some stuff spoiled by looking up bosses. It's, it's okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Post credit scene though.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No, but you're good. Go ahead.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay. well I won't say everything. Uh, here's what I'll say. Uh, there is a character who turns out to be not who you think it is, and the post credit scene centers around this character and
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:this character's on a train talking about the events of the game with someone else, and basically implies that p Pinocchio was person A, exhibit A, and then says, I will go back and I will find exhibit B Dorothy. Then who do you see? Just the feet walk into scene in front of Crot. It is Ruby shoo laced Dorothy, who clips her heels as the character says, I will find Dorothy.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I was like, oh my goodness gracious. I'm so excited to see what this is all about because holy crap, they did Pinocchio. Now I'm gonna be Dorothy in Oz. Freaking wrecking munchkins and um, doing all this like, holy freaking crap.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Astounding. I am so hyped for this. I got like literal chills when it happened. Like I was like, oh my goodness, what even is this? They're building a bigger universe. They're doing all of these things, like my mind started to race of like, there's clearly a crossover between Pinocchio and Do and Oz. So if the first game is say lies of P, and the second one is like Oz and Dorothy, what if the third one was like making mouse? What if the fourth one was like final fantasy? What if the fifth, you know, and they just like continued to connect this and you basically got these great souls likes with these themes we already know and love, and they're all interconnected by this greater story and it's done well. Like Liz of P is, was done well story-wise. I'm so into this now.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That'd
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I've cooled down a little bit on that. The kind of thought process. Um, but looking into it, there is a job posting or was a job posting on an open world game for the company, and they have come out and stated that the DLC for lies of P will not talk about Dorothy and will not take place after Eliza P. It will take place about chapter five or six of the game.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So there is a theory that the Dorothy game is gonna be Eldon ring open world inspired.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That would be so cool. With Oz and everything we know about Oz and like how built up that is and how they could twist it. That would be so cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. My only thing is like, man, I wish this was more in development. Because what if they announced the Dorothy game with a gameplay trailer on the same week, then Wicked part two comes out.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That would be amazing. I think it'd be really cool if you earned it playing the DLCI don't. Has anyone ever done that?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, well look, you get like hints to things.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No. Like you win the DLC and it gets released and then someone spreads it all over the internet. That would be awesome.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I'm sure it's happened before. I don't know, but I'm sure that that's happened before. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:If the DLC is like it's just a banger. Smashes out of the park, does that make it possible to overtake bloodborne? No. Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I, I think the criticism of the animations is. so fair, um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:fair.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:that it, it, it drags it down quite a bit. And when you look at bloodborne where you're like, I like the theme better. I like the gameplay a little bit better. If bloodborne implemented the same thing lies. FP does where like you get one blood file that you can charge up,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:It's a huge bonus.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:right? Like you'd be like, oh, perfect game, perfect game. Like that's not something I wanted before, but if I had that in bloodborne, that would be amazing. Um, and you would have this mentality of no fight is actually over till it's over kind of mentality, which is, you know, a fair criticism. But like that. So the DLC is probably gonna be really good. I, I don't have any doubts for that. Um, I've only played one other game before and their one game is Liza p and it's fantastic. So I've got nothing to base that it's crappy on. Um, they've got no history of it being crappy. They've got this, or they've presented that. They have this like grander idea picture, which to me is like, okay, if they have like this bigger grander thing and like they're going according to plan, I love that. I, one of my favorite things about how I met your mother is there's this greater, bigger picture and they stuck to it. Even when the fans hated it, they were like, this is our ending. You know, I, I'm a, I very much respect that and so far they've presented that and they're addressing that in all of their news things, right? Like they said, it's not gonna address the ending credit scene. It's taking place at this time during the game. It's gonna, alright. Like we talked about how they're gonna address some issues with the game in it. They're gonna introduce new weapons and stuff, just like any souls DLC, right? So. I don't have any reason to criticize that or tell you it's not true, but I still have, like when they originally got their criticisms of the game, they said, okay, you guys are right. The rolling out of damage thing should not be an upgrade. You can get laid in game, you should just have that from the beginning. So you can have that from the beginning, but rather than address the animations of the game, which would be a difficult task for them to do, to be fair, they basically said, we're gonna weaken enemies and make you stronger. And they patched it and that's what they did. But the problem wasn't that you. weren't strong enough and that they were too strong. The problem was'em Was the animations themselves being misleading and the boss is not telegraphing their fights well. So that that's the big criticism of it. And it is a fair one And like speaking from somebody who has done the fight with the arm shoulder thing, when you get there, you'll see exactly what it's like and you'll, it'll be particularly like, oh yeah, this feels unfair. This feels stupid. This is not a fun fight. This is a sucky fight to
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Was that the one that you said was the second hardest boss that you've
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:do. No,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:No.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:boss. Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, this one, so this, this boss that we were talking about with the shoulder thing, that one is like unfair. So I don't give it credit as being difficult
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:'cause it feels like I'm being cheated. The difficult one, which I sent you in a text, I don't remember what the boss's name is. Is Fair. and difficult?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Very and difficult. Okay. If you hadn't have already beaten orphan, would this have been like, if you had beaten this one first, would this be the hardest boss that you ever fought? I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:No.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Orphan is just harder.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Orphan is just harder. plain and simple. Orphan is on a whole new level of hard where you've played orphan, you've beaten orphan. Do you feel like any part of it is telegraphed or unfair in that way?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No, it is completely fair and it is just ridiculously difficult.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yep. It's just like I just have to get better and it is just so unbelievably a challenge And difficult to do.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:And it's amazing that you're already so deep in the game and you're already as good as you are, and it requires you to just just get to a different level.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. Um. So that orphan is just that way. This one is like, man, I died 20 times and I do need to get better. And it is incredibly difficult, but it's not like I have to achieve a new level of, like that boss is still before the shoulder boss.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Oh, okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:That boss is the third or fourth two. Last boss in the game.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Of the game. Um, so with lies, uh, how would you rate this game
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:9.5 out of 10. Top, top five game of all time. Uh, let me,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:bloodborne? A perfect 10 outta 10 for you?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:uh, I do agree that like. I think the only thing that would make it better is if you could recharge one vial. Not all 20, but just one. So you could feel like extra reason to be aggressive and kind of fight for that one extra vial. Yeah, but like my top 10 of all time list originally was bloodborne goes to sushi and menn knights, the old public two to the kingdom. I would probably put this in contention with cottor, right? About three possibly beating it. I'd actually have to think about it and like, okay, which one do I actually like better? Cottor is more replayable. This one is a soul's thing and is. Dark and cool and has better mechanics and gameplay and is newer and looks, you know, so I'd really have to argue with it. But, uh, It's possible better than coach war in my mind.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's really cool, man. I, uh, I'm glad you had that good of experience with it. I like that this one requires you to. Perry and just get in front of the boss and just face it. Just be there. Where with bloodborne, as great as I do think it is, I would kite around those bosses all day long and I never really just had to like stand in front of the boss and tell that boss to go to hell, is part of what I'm struggling with, with the boss that I'm stuck on.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Well, you'd probably have gone through bloodborne faster if you did do that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What was that?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:You'd probably have gotten through bloodborne faster and better if you had done that?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That's true.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:'cause if you had learned to per in bloodborne, that makes like most of the game way easier.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:It does, it does for sure. I re, I did a new game plus play through the entire thing and it makes it way easier when you know how to do that, but I didn't have to at all except for Maria. Literally never had to do it. Um,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Father Quin.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:one, like if you don't pair, I, I may, maybe you could. I don't think you can do it. I, I don't
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:you can,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:game without pairing. You think you
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:you can. I know you can.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:You weren't pairing at all.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Not my first play through
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Even like a perfect block. You have the
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:nothing. Oh. So in my first play through where I got through till just after where you're at. There's this fat huge clown that you get to. That's where I got to on my first play through. That's where I got to with just dodging.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Wow.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And I do believe that after I've gotten past him, I could get past him now with just dodging,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I want you to do that.'cause I've
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:okay,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:of that clown fight and it seems like it'd be freaking impossible without perfect blocking,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:nah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:but I'll get there eventually after I beat this stupid, stupid boss. Well, that is Lizza P obviously me and Josh both love it. It is say, I recommend for both of us, even though I suck and I'm working through it, but I still think it's a great game. let's go to our last one, adolescence. I really enjoyed this was very interested in what you thought about it. Josh worked at a a Boys' Home for a little while and there's a, there's a, the main kid is accused of murder spoilers. You find out that he did actually kill. The person he is accused of killing. And the second half of the show, which I found way more interesting, he has a scene where he's talking to a therapist and I thought the dialogue for talking to the therapist was brilliant. I thought it was great. Very, very well written. Very well done. the last episode, you have the family who and, and dad, who's asking, was I a bad father? I fail? My son? And the dad does such a good job of acting pain. It is very, very well done. From your point of view, being involved in teenage boys for a decent amount of time, how did you think that therapy scene was? What did you think about the concept in general?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So we'll talk about, start with the therapy scene. It was 90% really, really great.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, the dialogue is very good. The kids, uh, portrayal is very accurate. As many boys go through a very similar set of emotions as it's told. Um. The only flaw I found in that is when the boy throws a tantrum, she should have left.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, because establishing boundaries is a very important thing when they're that young. And if you don't uphold those boundaries, you end up not being effective. Basically, she told him he actually has all the control and it, it wasn't a good thing to do, so she should have left and have come back. So, but other than that, it was really, really great. Right? So if, if she had left and come back and continued those conversations as to say, I'm not gonna give you what you want when you just throw it through a tantrum, which she does do, which is not a good subliminal message to be portraying to that kid. Who is struggling in that moment. So like when I was working at a treatment center, we had to restrain these boys and hold them to the ground and all this kinds of stuff. And we have a rule, you do not engage with them at all emotionally or vocally when you are restraining them or they are in a place of high emotion because we don't want them to associate bonding with being restrained.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:That makes sense.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Right. And basically she said, Hey, you can treat me like shit and we're still gonna bond.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Instead of establishing that she needs to be respected too.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. So she needs, I set this boundary. You didn't sit down, you threw a tantrum. I left if you want me to come back and keep coming back with pickle sandwiches. You gotta respect me and I'll respect you. That's the message that should have been portrayed. But other than that, it was so good. It was so accurate. Uh, like I said, the boys' writing perfect, the therapist was almost perfect in that particular, um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay, cool.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:uh, now I
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:and I can see where you're coming from.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:think you would only see that if you had worked or been a part of this environment before.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I think that that experience is the only time you would notice that, uh, as a greater movie show. Uh, when Conlin brought this up last week as a shared topic pitch, I looked up a trailer and my first comment was this kid is a terrible actor. I was dead right? He's a crappy actor. He's like one of the worst child actors bad. Uh.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:is not very good. I'll admit
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Know, his best scene is that therapist scene. And even then it's like, I, I feel like it was more the writing than his acting, if that makes any sense. Like what he's saying is very effective, but his portrayal of it isn't great. Um, but I don't think that this movie or the show hinged on that. Um, because the trailer made it seem like it was about him. I was very skeptical. But it's not really about him. It's more about the effect on the community and other people that his actions had. So we talked about the father, am I a good parent? Should I have done more? And the mothers, I think the, the standout performance is when the mothers like we probably could have, but that doesn't make us bad parents. Holy crap. Um, every episode is one continuous shot. I don't know if you noticed that or not.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I was blown away by That I was like, they are tear telling an effective thing with multiple characters at multiple places and at different points in time without cutting a single time.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:It's
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Wow. Great. Love it. That's amazing. Uh, this show I think is really, really great. Um, I think it should have been five episodes, not four episodes, because I think the show would've gone for me like a 7.5 out of 10, like an 8.5 or a nine out of 10 if the fifth episode was the trial. And you had all of these characters that had been separated for four episodes, all in the same place at the same time. And basically. You have the prosecutor portraying to a jury what this kid did. You get to see the pain of the parents actually seeing and witnessing what all of this evidence actually is. You have the prosecutor being like she was stabbed seven times. You can tell in this video of the child that she gets hit seven times by this kid and he admitted to having the knife and X, Y, z, whatever. And in the end you basically say, show the prosecutor and the defendant making a deal where they're like, okay, have him plead guilty and you know, we'll have some pity on this kid'cause he is a minor, that instead of 50 years he can do 25 if he pleads guilt. Right? Like I think one more episode where you kind of group everybody up and like. The character Jade, who's the best friend of the girl, having her be there in the courtroom with this kid, right? Like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:of just left off with the, the main, the friend character. She just kind of gets left off in the story. You don't really get any kind of conclusion with her at all.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. And like at the school episode, like she started hitting the the murderer kids' friend and saying, you're the murderer. Had you killed her? I was sitting there like, the cop is right there. He's gonna question her, and he's gonna be like, why did you think he had something to do with this? But he didn't. I was like, what? That happened right in front of you. What is wrong with you as a cop? You're so stupid. You know?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Those little things were why the first two episodes weren't as good to me and why I, I really loved the last two episodes.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. Uh, but having it be. Like I said, more focused on like the parents than the actual kid, um, was a really great choice. I love everything to do with the parents and the sister,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:too.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:and the last two episodes is great. I think one, like I said, one more episode, with it being his trial would've been made it even better because these writers clearly can do a great job with not very much. Um, and the, like, there's a few issues. Yeah. Like the Jade character kind of being left off, the other friend being completely ignored because I don't feel like they wanted to have the screen time to have both of the friends there. So he should have just had the one friend to begin with, I think. But, um, getting them all in the room together, having it be the trial, having everything laid out, and finally having him admit his guilt on screen. Would've been better rather than just that phone call at the end with the dad.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I agree with that completely. That would've been a better show overall'cause the first two episodes do have a few of those little things that bring it down, some to me. Um, and that would've and kind of made the show feel more whole, which would've been a better overall experience. 100%.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:But like I, said, I still really enjoyed this show
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:But I did too, and I literally enjoyed the last two episodes so much that I would rewatch just those two episodes and probably will. I, I will rewatch those two episodes. Um,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:He watched the whole show.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:father's pain and how well that's portrayed was I, I literally turned off the episode and just kind of sat with it for a little bit, which I don't do a whole lot, but I just sat there and thought about what I just watched because it was, it was pretty powerful to me.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:It was, it was so good. The writing great. The acting generally in the show is pretty good. Um, like I said, the filmography and making each Episode one continuous shot is really, really cool. Um, and like it is more prominent in the first episodes, not so much in the last episode. So like episode four is just them and the therapists talking. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:three is the therapist
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:okay. Whatever one it is.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Anyway,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, so that one is less impressive. But like in the first episode where they're following the cop into the house and then they cut to. Following the son to the prison. Cut to following the pro or the defender. Cut to following The parents. Cut to following the cop again. Cut to following. Like I was sitting there like, this is so cool. It is so smooth. It is so good. The director
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:don't
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:deserves awards for how amazing it was to do this in one continuous shot. Like I'm sure that there were multiple takes that they edited together.'cause I doubt every actor was perfect through the entire episode every time, but dang. That is so impressive. It is so good. It is so smooth. The transitions are always great. Uh, like honestly, director, you deserve an award for how well this was directed. Writers, you deserve an award. For how great the writing is. Father, you should be nominated for Acting Mother. You should be nominated for acting. Uh, the sets were all really well done. I love the two cops and their relationship together. Um, I love the way they interact and talk about like kids and family and stuff. It was all just really, really good. I, I genuinely, really liked that episode. I think you're more down on those first two episodes than I was. On a scale of 1 10, 1 to 10, what would you rate this show?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Um, I like the last two episodes so much that I'm gonna give it an eight.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay. that's fair. That's good. Yeah, I, was debating 7.58. I just think that, that the main character of the kid is so bad to me. He drags it down that half point, that was the half point that I argued with.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I thought he did, I thought he did a passable job in the therapist episode. To me, it
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:He did.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:The
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:episodes were worse, like the first episode, I was like, oh crap, Josh is completely right. This kid sucks. Like this is, this is really, really rough. The therapist episode I thought was passable enough that it didn't really detract from the episode for me,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:You're you're absolutely right. I agree with you.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:he detracted because of his negative, bad acting.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. Like you, you don't even have to trust my word, like anybody just look up the trailer and you're gonna see how bad his acting is.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:He's the first episode's real rough,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. but
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:but
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:his voice acting still in the phone call is not great. I think that's what the over the line thing is, is like the father has such a genuine, great performance. Hinging on the words of this terrible thing where the kid isn't even on screen,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Yep.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:he's not even on screen. it's a phone call. And I still feel like his performance was terrible. Um, that's, that's, the line that I think is just like, okay, like 7.5 instead of an eight,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:is how much I liked the last two episodes of the show because I think that that is a completely fair criticism and I have never given a show with terrible acting that high of a score, I think ever. I. Where it's just like, that was
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:of
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:terrible.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Potters is an eight out of 10 for you or higher.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:of'em are.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Oh wow. I hate Harry Potter and I still give prisoner an eight out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No, I don't give it an eight. Eight. I wanna rewatch all the time. I don't ever have that with Harry Blotter. I watch it.'cause other people want to
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Fair enough.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I don't hate any of them. I don't hate any of
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:What about Little Rascals? You gotta give Little Rascals an eight out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Um, I don't, because I watched it later in life.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:It's still so charming. it's still so cute of a movie.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:a seven. Uh, that's what I would give Little Rascals
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:What's the baseball one?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:uh, Sandlot.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Sandlot You gotta give Sandlot an eight out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:could
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:eight out of 10. Sandlot gets an eight out of 10. That's fair. That like gets an eight out 10.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Bad acting. Eight out of 10. Uh, back to the future
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:one.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:has some bad acting. I think that one? is also an eight out of 10. Back to the future.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Oh, I don't think Bad's Future has any acting that's just like terrible. There's nothing
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:The first one doesn't, but I think the
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:just takes it
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:one,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:down.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I think the third one. The third one's where they go to the future. Then to The past again, right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:The third one is the one where they go to the Western Times.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah. Bad acting, but I still love that one.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Okay. I love that one too, but I don't think there's anything that's like a atrocious in it. There's
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:says like, eh, but there's
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I think there's some bad performance in it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:terrible.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, karate Kid has lots of bad performances and I love all three of those.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Karate Kid does have, that's a good one. That's a good one.'cause they're even like Ralph Macho, uh, whatever his name is. is really not very good in Karate kid. He's not a very good actor,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Uh, I think it does. Okay. I think It's all the side actors. So for me, in Credit Kid one. The bad performances are by Johnny's friends and by John Crease. I think his performance is so bad, uh, particularly towards the end when he's doing child abuse and everybody's just standing and watching. It's like, yeah, everybody's standing and watching because this feels weird. And you're like, choking out this guy. But it's like, not like a tight hold. So it's, anyway, um, the second one, I think Ralph Macho is the only one who did a good performance.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Oh, really?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:And maybe the girl, but like all of the other people, I was like, what are they even trying to do here? Like, this is bad, but
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:do give, I do give some breaks for eighties because I feel like eighties corniness is a
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:not acting. It's not, no.'cause we talked about Lost Boys. I think the performances are all great in that,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:they do do a good job.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:but it's still eighties acting.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:But like Arnold Schwartzenegger has, he's, he's corny and it works for him in those movies.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I'm not an expert on Schwarzenegger, But I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:No. It just works for Arnold Schwartzenegger
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:but would you call him a
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:of the
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:bad actor?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:What?
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Would you call his performance a bad?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Um,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I haven't seen a lot of his stuff. I haven't seen Terminator. I haven't seen him, so I'm not an expert. But from what I've seen, I wouldn't call it bad.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:corny
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:right. But my point is, is in karate kid, two 90% of the performances are bad. And yet I love that movie. It's so good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:Regardless,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:So it's different. Right. So we're talking about eight outta 10, with bad performances. I I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:first
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:gave you just like half a dozen. Right. And.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:but
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I'm sure there's more.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:two Karate kids eight outta tens.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Okay. But you still have bad acting in the first one,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:You do have bad acting, the first one. That's fair.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:so
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:one I would give an eight. Outta 10.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah, I would give it like an 8.5 out of 10. I, I love the first one,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I might do that too, actually. I
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:you know.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:movie a lot.
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:But Anyway, adolescence, back to our main topic, what we're really talking about here,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:adolescence. I really, really liked it a lot. And um, it is one that I would recommend literally. I don't know who I wouldn't recommend this to. I think it has some important things to learn. I think it's just a good show that's worth watching. Unless you have something that's going to be traumatic from watching this,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:uh,
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:I would
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:would
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:this to somebody who is looking for something more serious. That's all I can think of.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:I think everybody has moments like that though. And
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:yeah, I
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:give that avio, but if you have something that's a little bit more serious, I, and this won't be a traumatic thing for you. I would, I would watch it. I would recommend it to you
josh-dietrich_1_04-02-2025_124704:Yeah, me too. It's, it's really, really good. It truly is.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-02-2025_164700:or I guess and wi with that. That's gonna be our episode. We appreciate you watching. Grateful for all you like, subscribe, all that good stuff. See you guys. Bye.
