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FROM - Week 25: Episode 2

Reacher Season 3, Happy Face, From Justin To Kelly, Solo Leveling, FROM


00:00 - Reacher

05:48 - Happy Face

15:00 - From Justin to Kelly

28:05 - Solo Leveling

48:19 - FROM



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josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Hello and welcome. This is Onscreen Offscreen. Thank you anybody who is listening and or watching. Thanks to any of our subscribers. Super appreciate you guys. Uh, let's get started with your first topic.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Alright, my first topic is. Going to be reacher season three. I finished it and this season is way, way better than season two. Um. I enjoyed the season of Reacher. The story is more cohesive. more of a separate, a separate story. So you're just enjoying reacher and you're doing these new characters. The plot doesn't feel like it has as many holes. Um, I enjoy all of the characters. The action set pieces are really good. You feel the danger for reacher and for our main characters with the crime boss mechanic that's going on throughout the show. Um, basically richer is hunting down somebody that killed one of his old partners, and so he has to go undercover as the main security agent for this gun running type character. does that through the sun and a very creative, clever way of gaining the son's trust. It's well written and well done. There is a. Another person who is hired by this gun runner who is ginormous in real life. He's seven foot seven, and he's a professional bodybuilder, like absolutely massive. And the entire show, you know that they're gonna get into a fight. You know this is gonna happen. It's just gonna go down. And they do get into a fight and it's freaking awesome. It's really well done. When you're fighting somebody who's that much bigger than you, you have to stay really close to them. And you use elbows because they have so much more reach than you. they actually choreograph that into the fight scenes. They have them really close together. They have reached her using his elbows. They do smart things with the fight that I really, really appreciated. Um, and they add a little bit of. Hollywood magic to it, to where it's a little bit over exaggerated and a little bit like eighties big men fighting each other, which makes it a lot more awesome. It, it's just a good time. It's well done. thing I didn't like about this season there is a, uh, a girl who is in the FBI, she's in one, one of the three letter programs, and, um, she is trying to. Save a girl who's gotten kidnapped, who works with her from this organization. It's been six months. She's trying to keep her alive, reach her and her work together to try to take these people down and save this woman who's been kidnapped. There's a relationship that forms between these two characters and the relationship. Is the most shoehorned into a show relationship I've ever seen. There is no indication that they have any kind of chemistry. There's nothing and all of a suddenly they're making out, and there is. It's just stupid. It doesn't help the show at all. It takes away from the show. It takes away from the story. It's just, it's dumb. They should have left it out. Other than that, this season is very worth watching and I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Good. So you said better than season two. What about season one? Where, how does it compare?

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

It is a, it's a little bit under season one, I think Season one is a great season of television. I think this is a very good season of television. That's about where I would put it. I would give this season a 7.5, maybe a little higher'cause I would rewatch this. Season one, I have rewatched just because I wanted to. And I don't know if I'd be that way with this season. Season two. I won't rewatch. I don't really care to.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

I never even finished season two, so

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

okay.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

I thought it was worth finishing, but that's about it. I don't care about watching it again. This season is much better also with the fight, with the really big guy, the seven seven guy. Um. They, they tried to make it as realistic as possible. And Reacher, who's not a small dude, he's a big guy, so hard it broke ribs and got knocked unconscious while they were filming this fight. Like that's how hard they went. And it's awesome. I would watch this, see this show just because that fight is awesome. But the rest of it ended up being good too. There are, there's some. If I get into spoilers, there are some little nitpicks here and there that are kinda like, eh, that's kind of dumb. Like there's a scene in the last episode where the son that richer is kind of protecting and gets close to. In this organization. The dad and the son are reconnecting and the dad is in a rough spot because he has to perform or these gun smugglers will take him out. He decides not to. Do that anymore. cop that was assigned to protect the son gets in contact with the son, but then all of a sudden just goes missing. And if he didn't go missing, then the father never dies and there's no reason that he is gone missing. It doesn't make sense that he is gone missing, but for some reason he just kind of disappears. There's little things like that that do take it down some, but I still think it's a really fun ride and worth, worth checking out. All right, Josh, with that, let's go to your first one. What in the world is happy face?

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Happy Face is a dramatized, uh, version of a True Crime podcast, I guess you would say.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Okay. Okay.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

So it's based on a real serial killer, happy face killer. He's based in Oregon. He killed eight people. Um, this follows the point of view of his daughter.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

All right.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

And in the show, um, he reveals that he killed a ninth person, but will only do it upon to his daughter. He will only reveal this to his daughter. In reality, there was no ninth kill. He did kill nine people. Um, this is all just drama for the show. However, in reality, she did. Go back and meet him. She has seen him two times since he was incarcerated and he is still alive and in jail today, and she really did go see him. She went to go see him when she, she introduced her kids to him in real life in the show, it's a plot point that she kept his identity a secret for obvious reasons. They do a really good job of telling the story of like, Hey, you don't want to be known as the serial killer's grandchild, so we were protecting you from that. And I don't wanna be known as the serial killer's daughter because I don't wanna be identified as that or thought of as the same as him. And she even has this moment of like, am I the same as him? And it's performed so good. Uh. My only real criticism of this show is that Dennis Quaid, Disney's dad is the serial killer. And that's just weird for me to see because like I watched Parent Trap as a kid, I had two sisters. It was not a rare watch for us. It was kind of on quite frequently. And uh, it's weird to see him. Play a serial killer and play it so well. He does such a great job with his portrayal of this. So that is my only real criticism of the show so far. I've only seen the first three episodes. I think there's four or five out now. Um, and I was not expecting to love this show as much as I was. I, I basically turned it on as kind of like, oh, why not? I've got some time, and it turned into, I need to watch the next episode. I need to watch the next episode. Like I have the text chain. I was texting Lauren and I said, Hey, should I keep watching this show or should I go play games with friends? Because my star citizen group was like, Hey, come on. Let's play star citizen. She was like, well, are you liking the show? And I was like, well, it's kind of already started. I don't really know if I like it or not. It's like, well, do you wanna turn it off? And I was like, well, no, there's nothing bad about it. Should I go play a game or do this? It very well turned into, uh, I'll finish the first episode and see how I feel.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Finish the first episode. I don't care what happened in gaming that day'cause I just jumped into the second episode. I was like, I was like, I, I'm not a true crime podcast person. That is not my cup of tea. The closest I get is sometimes I will watch Mr. Ball on episodes, which is a little different. And

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

It is.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

sometimes I watch lore, which is also, or listened to lower, which is also different. Not big on this whole, like I, the, the most hyped for something I had been for something like, this is the Zach Goran, uh, whatever his name is, serial killer

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

show,

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Bundy show. And when that came out, I watched it. I was like, that was stupid.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

it wasn't very good.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

What a waste of my time.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

one too.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

I can't believe I watched that crap. This one, I knew it was based on a true story. I knew it was about a serial killer and that's it. I didn't even know Quaid was even in it, but I saw a trailer for it on TikTok and I was like, the main actress is somebody I sort of recognize that I like. Um, Anna, Emily Ashford.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

She does look familiar from something. I

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Yeah. Uh, she's familiar. I don't know what from either She's in Legally Blonde. I don't know what role she has in it. Anyway, she's been in a few things, but I don't necessarily recognize her. Recognize her, but I was like. Sure. Um, anyway, turned it on. Absolutely loved it. I'm so excited for the rest of season one. I hope it's not gonna be more than one season.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

She's in unbelievable. And if you haven't seen that, it's great. It's another, uh, a girl. Have you seen Unbelievable at all?

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Uh, not off the top of my head.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

high recommendation for everybody. Um, there's a girl and she gets sexually assaulted and she gets accused of lying about her sexual assault, and it is extremely well done. Extremely. I have a friend who, um, went through sexual assault and a lot of the, a lot of the situations this girl goes through with the police very, very similar to my friend's experience. Very similar. It's, uh, it's great. Great show. She does a good job in that. Anyway, keep going. Cut

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Oh, is that the one with, uh, where the main girl is? The, what's that other show called? Tim Allen, show Daughter,

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Oh, uh, I think that's her. Yeah, I think so.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

uh, Caitlyn, Denver.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Yeah. That, that's her. That's her.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

No, I've seen this show. This show has had never made me want to be a cop more in my life. That,

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

Really?

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

That's cool.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

because of it was so real. And while I'd personally not gone through that, uh, I do know people and after I watched Unbelievable, I was like. I wanna be there so that nobody ever has to experience that ever again. So I really wanted to be a cop after that, but

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

That's really cool, man, because yeah, it's, it's, is terrible. It is terrible. Anyway,

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

very well done. But anyway, yeah. Uh, happy Face. Three episodes in, if you like, true Crime Podcast. This is your show. Plain and simple. This is your show. It feels like a True Crime podcast. It's based off of, uh, the daughter's book and being the happy face killer's daughter, and they take liberties in it. Absolutely they do, but they're also believable and the writing is so good. And the performances are so great, like I am not a True Crime podcast person at all. I don't like spotlighting this dark place in humanity. I don't watch the news because it's too depressing. I don't like focusing on this like dark corner of humanity. And yet. I think the best thing about this show is that I am a person who's saying this is fantastic. It's done. So well watch this show.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

I will give that a shot. I'm gonna give that one a try. That sounds interesting to me, that that

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

one.

konlin-gappmayer_2_04-02-2025_180839:

sounds really interesting to me.

josh-dietrich_2_04-02-2025_140842:

Okay, I'm gonna jump onto my next topic. Uh. Following the end of season one of American Idol, Kelly Clarkson and runner up Justin, I'm gonna butcher the last name. Giardini, Arnie Ney, I dunno. Uh, star in a romantic comedy musical movie called From Justin to Kelly. I had never heard of this before. Never heard of it. And like

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

A month ago I saw a TikTok that was talking about the first season of American Idol, and the video was actually just talking about like the problems of American Idol, but it brought up Justin and Kelly Clarkson and brought up this movie from Justin to Kelly. And I was like, why have I never ever heard of this movie before? My family was an American Idol family. We watched it pretty religiously up until the Davids after that, not so much, but like up until that point we were avid watchers. Every time it was on, we were watching this, this show. Um, so like why had I never heard of it? And I looked it up and it had an IMDB score of 1.9 out of 10. That is the lowest score I have ever seen. The tomato meter on it is 8%. Also the lowest screen I have ever seen, the popcorn meter. So the audience score was 39%, which is not the lowest I've ever seen Bob Hurdy freaking low. Now, the closest comparison to like what you can expect from this I can think of is high school Musical

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

high school musical has a 5.6 outta 10 on imdb. Still not great. But a lot better than 1.9 out of 10 has a 67 tomato meter and a 74 popcorn meter. Now, lemme tell you, this movie's great. It genuinely is. Everyone is wrong about this movie.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

So the songs are really good. The acting is pretty good.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

I, uh, to the co The comparison you made is not really great, man.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

What do you mean?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

I mean, high school musical is not a great movie and. I can't imagine something that's close to that being great.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

I mean the type of movie, that's what I mean, type,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

so it's, it's filmed like high school musical was, it kind of feels like high school musical where they kind of just like. Break out into song suddenly and the whole crowd gets into it and there's this choreographed dance. That's what I mean, right. It's not like a traditional musical where you kind of know everybody's in on it. It's, it's kind of like high school musical where kind of like everybody kind of gets in on it and you're like, what even is this high school? This is the same kind of thing, except in this example it's a little bit worse, so Right. There's a scene where. Justin and Kelly meet each other for the first time and the crowd breaks out into a dance. But there's like this cluster of like 20 people in the middle of them who I think didn't get the memo or just couldn't dance. So they were just doing like this shimmy thing. You know, the thing you do at like the steak dances for the kids who didn't know how to dance, they kinda like, oh yeah, I'm participating while everybody around them is doing like this elaborate dance number. Um. That was not great, but it's kind of like that kind of show. That's what I mean, it's, it's not like the same quality of show. I'm not saying it's that at all. I'm not saying if you like high school musical, you're gonna like this. Right? Like, I'm not saying that at all. It's just like if you're going into a musical, you're going into a musical and this kind of like the same budget, the same kind of feeling that kind of way, if that makes any sense at all.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

That

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Um. Anyway, so I was like, I don't know why I've never heard of this before. It seems like it should be a bigger thing. You know, I hate high school musical. I will never watch it again a day in my life. The only time I've been tempted to watch it again is occasionally a pops up as a point of conversation and about how somebody loves it or whatever, and how it's so fundamental to their childhood. And I've always, and I've been like maybe. As an adult, I should give it another chance, and maybe I'll have like this nostalgia thing or maybe I'll see something in it I didn't see before, but I never actually do it. This show is crap. Okay. This is a musical movie. It's a musical. Um,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Kelly Clarkson does a great job. Justin is a phenomenal singer and I feel so bad for the guy. Because if he didn't go up against the greatest vocalist of our entire life, he probably would have won and would like, I looked it up. He's had two albums released and they were both in 2005, so he's done nothing since. Right. And I'm like, oh man. Poor guy.'cause he's got a great voice and he just happened to go up against Kelly Clarkson.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Clarkson,

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

To me is the greatest vocalist of our generation and possibly ever.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

She's up there. She's very,

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

She's so freaking good. It's amazing. And anyway, so they start in this romantic comedy show together, this romantic comedy musical. Uh, it has the same kind of early two thousands drama where you have three people. And girl A and girl B or girl A and boy start flirting with each other. And Girl B only likes guy because girl A likes him. Right? Except they have done that plot in this movie better than I have ever seen it ever.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Ever. I don't believe it. That's no way.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

I will stand on this hill and here is why. Okay. So in every single portrayal of that plot that I've seen, girl A is a great friend, she's a great person, she's a go-getter. She's got all of these things going, and she's, like I said, she's a great friend.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

And girl B is jealous of her because she's so successful and she gets all the guys and blah, blah, blah, whatever. Right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

In this version, girl A is Kelly Clarkson girl. B is an actress. You would probably recognize, um, there, I was actually surprised how many people were in this movie. Um, princess Tiana, for example, from Princess and the Frog is in this movie. It was like her breakout performance thing.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

That's cool.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Anyway. Um, girl b in this situation, she's this blonde girl. I don't remember who the actress is or what I know her from, but, um, she wants Justin because she's jealous of Kelly Clarkson. Like Kelly Clarkson doesn't get all the guys. She's kind of a loser in real life. And the her friends, the blonde girl and the. Princessa girl have to like coax her to come to Spring Break where this thing takes place. And Guy is not perfect. Prince Charming, right? Like the big plot there is like, he founded this company where he would make money throwing, um, parties and whipped cream, bikini contests and this kind of things to the other. And Kelly Clarkson is of course appalled by this gross displaying of men things. And X, Y, Z, whatever, and she's not a good friend. There is not a single scene in this show where Kelly Clarkson is actually a good friend to blonde girl. So it makes complete sense why blonde girl would be jealous of her getting attention from this guy and why she would be morally okay. With stabbing her friend in the back end quote'cause and going after this guy, because everything Kelly Clarkson says to this friend is, you're a basic party girl and nobody's ever gonna really like you for who you are.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

That's better. That is better.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

So it makes it a much more interesting dynamic. It's so much better, and I fully admit it could have been my expectations going into this, seeing that it was a 1.9 out of 10 on IMDB

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

That's

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

and an 8% on rot tomatoes. But like genuinely. Would I rather watch this or any of the high school musicals? Absolutely. Hands down. Not even close. Like it's genuinely a really good kind of musical, early two thousands. Like does it have problems? Absolutely. Is it wrapped up? Well? No, it's not because basically the blonde friend who's treated like crap through the entire show comes back and is like, I'm sorry, I was a bad friend. I made it up to you by fixing the problem and then leaves.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

And

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

And I'm like, no. Kelly Clarkson was a, a terrible person to you. Why would you just, you should emotionally be mature enough to be like, you're not good for me.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay. Um,

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

It's not perfect. I'm not saying it's a 10 out of 10. I am not saying that at all. I'm saying I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was pleasantly surprised and I would watch this movie again.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

what would you rate it?

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Seven out of 10.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Wow. Okay. I kind of have to watch this it was a 1.9. That's really, that's really, really, really bad. And I was reading through some of the reviews while you were talking and they sound atrocious. Like it sounds Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch this this week. I. who's watching, I'm going to watch this this week and tell you what I think because yeah, it pretty rough.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

It is rough. I like, like I said. Don't expect a flawless plot wise'cause it's not flawless. It's got a lot of issues. It was clearly thrown together at the end of season one of American Idol and they kind of just like threw it out there. Right? Like far from perfect,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

far from it. Like I said, choreography is not great because like I said, it feels like some of the people in onscreen did not get the memo or. They couldn't get enough actual dancers to do it, so they were like, Hey, just do the shoulder thing so you can pretend you're dancing while the real dancers do the actual performing. Right. It's not perfect. All of the characters have holes and has issues and whatever, but in terms of enjoyment, right, like you were talking about the Indian version of Cinderella, right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

You were like, it wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it enough.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Right. That is a similar thing where it's like, I know it has issues. I'm not blind to the issues,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

But it was enjoyable

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

but it was enjoyable enough and I think 1.9 out of 10 is incredibly harsh on a movie that is clearly better than what its closest comparison would be.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay. Yeah, I'll watch it this week. I'll watch it this week. All right guys, we'll go to something a little different again. Um, leveling this season is awesome. last couple episodes were awesome and I get like, we, we talked about it a little bit before and he is gonna talk about this, where he's fine with not having it any more till 2027.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

after 2027.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

after 2027. I would be fine if the show was over. liked the ending of this show, and if it was just the end and it was just these two seasons, I would be 100% satisfied. really liked the end of this thought. It was really, really good just epic, like the way he ends it is epic. It just feels awesome. matches the rest of the show. What did you think Josh?

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

I'm right there with you. My exact comment is season three. Will be a change of pace in the plot. Um, to be honest, if the show ended here, I'd be okay with that. Even with those loose ends that still remain after the finale, I'm okay with them taking their time for his disease.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

literally I thought it was so good that I kind of even don't want a season three because I don't want it to be worse, and it's just such a good, epic. story, like it's, it's has a full arc. The arc is done, the island's at the beginning of the arc, the island is completed. Like it's just complete and good. And I would be totally fine

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

It's not just complete, right? So the main character's dad is a very well established character. There are a lot of loose ends with him and they very much alluded to that in the very last scene of the show.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

they did.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Right? So it's not 100% complete and your wish that they just ended is not gonna happen because it's kind of showed signed on for games. It's a season three through seven or six.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

all that many seasons. Holy crap.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

It's been greenlit for that. There's like a, a movie that's been greenlit, like it's a big thing. It's becoming a lot more than just an anime at this point. It's, it's

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

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josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

a movie and they're talking about live action adaptations and games and everything. So my thing is like, okay, season one and two are great. And in terms of like the main character and the island, that is a complete. Squat and a complete story. So even if season three sucks, it's gonna be a jump in time. It's gonna be a jump in pace, it's gonna be entirely different show. So call it season three or call it solo leveling, reawaken season one, right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

like that.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

It's gonna be along those lines, and it really won't matter to me how good it is.'cause I can still just enjoy season one and season two perfectly well without it. Um, I found out that there, you know, so I had four episodes to watch this week to be completely caught up from when we last talked about it. After I watched one episode, I found out out that season three wouldn't be until after 2027. And I was like, oh man. There's so much more that they could do, and here's why I thought that there was so much more. I forgot about his swap skill.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Oh, you did? Okay. I

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

So I thought there was gonna be a whole episode based around him getting to the island and like them calling on him and then being like, you need your help. There's no one else who can do this. You know, you're our last hope. I thought that was gonna be a whole big thing. Um. But he, I forgot about the swap skill and I like him having the knights hide in the shadows of the other S level things. Watching over them was genius.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Guess

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

like, oh my gosh. I knew he could do that, but liked how that level, I had no idea. And that was freaking awesome. And I, I love this show. Genuine. I absolutely love this show. It's led RPG, the show in the best way possible. Uh, all the characters are so good and like I'm still very excited for season three. Um, there's still the loose ends of the girl who's in a coma. There's still the healer girl. Uh, there's still the fallout with the island. There's still. The grander universe that they've built up, they're still his father. There's still enough that I'm curious about. I'm just okay with them taking their time to get it right. And that's what I'm hoping this is. I'm hoping that they're like, I, we didn't know if we were gonna get a season three, so we tied it up. We got season three, so now we're on a take our time to do it right and be accurate to the, the book.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

I hope they can make the power leveling still feel satisfying. Um, I. Without just becoming corny.'cause you have those other characters that obviously are integrated into the system like he is somehow you don't know exactly how and they're going to fight and there's gonna be something more large universal scale with whatev whatever people are inside of the system. Like that's going to happen. I hope it feels satisfying instead of just like, oh, we need to keep this going, so we're gonna keep this going kind of a deal.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Well, the, the book goes on quite a bit further into it, so if you want to know what plot they're gonna follow,'cause they've generally followed the book. Really Well read it,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

That's a good

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

right? Like

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

read Manga ever.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

not manga?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Oh, it's not okay.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

No, it's a, whatever the Chinese version of it is, mangas specified as the Japanese version. This is Maha,

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

thing.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

but it is a similar, it's a, you know, comic style storytelling.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Okay,

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

cool. Maybe I'll try it because I'd be, I'd be interested. I hope they can make it good, I hope.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

I hope they can too.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

they've done

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Right?

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

with these two seasons. They've done a good job.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

Yeah. And here's the last part I really, really wanted to talk about.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

the. Music and I was just glowing about the lies of music. It is, uh, whoever wrote the music for this show needs to be signed by a label because they're the new Green Day.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.

josh-dietrich_3_04-02-2025_142431:

All I could think about was how epic the music felt in green and Transformers because of Green Day.

konlin-gappmayer_3_04-02-2025_182427:

Yeah, that's, that's a really good point, man.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's an awesome point.'cause Transformers 100%. You think about the songs and you think about the scenes in Transformers because of those songs. And I do the same thing with the show.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Stuff and not just like, because the scenes tied to the music so well because the music make the scenes feel epic.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

They do.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

So the song

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

it

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Dark Aria is my favorite from the show. They've used it twice. And the first time It was in the cave when the group was trying to kill the main character and the main character got the kill people prompt for the first time. And it just was like cuts off the guy's head. And then the vo, the vocalist is like, death is gonna come for me, or whatever the line is. And it just. Boom and it just hit so heavy and so hard and like, holy crap. After this show, this is the second time this has ever happened to me with an anime and the first one was Your Lion April. And I was like, I'm just gonna listen to that music. I was so good. That made me appreciate that music. Now it's not to that extent'cause I already kind of liked the rock music, but. I'm not gonna listen to this soundtrack. Holy freaking crap. This is so good. And I was sitting at work like, man, I feel so awesome. That's so cool. I was just like, if you wanna work out, turn on some solo leveling soundtrack, which sounds stupid, but you're man, you're just gonna feel awesome while doing it And Yeah, sure. Mix in some grade day.'cause that's just like the best way to work out. I could possibly think of.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I, I completely, it's, it's awesome. I completely agree. After season two was over. I was watching the end credits and they just have animations going on from the show that you've already seen before, but the music's in the background and you're just like, this is awesome. And I just sat there and watched it because the music was awesome. It just feels epic. They did, they did a good job with it. Like a really, really good job.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

And not just like in general too, like. The music when it needs to hit hard, hits hard, right? They do a good job with the timing of the music as well as the music.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

we have music. I would listen to this album. I have done that with the tack on Titan before because some of those songs slap,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I really like theme song from the second half of season one. But other than that, I didn't really love as much from that. Like it's, It's good for the show, but it's not like, awesome. Listen to this.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

There were a couple songs for me with a, with a tag on Titan that did do that. I was just like, that is so good. But solo leveling, it's like every song is just, they just slap all of them. All of'em.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Well, most of it is instrumental.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

But it's like awesome, instrumental, uh, instead of interstellar working, listening to it while you're studying. This would be your instrumental listen to while you're working out. That's what I

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I like the Epic instrumental stuff, and this just fits in.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

think of.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I'll add this to a workout playlist. I'm positive.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I already have with Dark Aria. I cannot tell you how much I love that song. It is so good, and both times it plays in the show that I know of. Maybe it plays a few more times. I dunno. Both times in the show I'm like, this is so cool. This is so awesome. I love this song. I love how it's timed with it. And the first one, it's like every time there's like a hard beat in the music, he's killing a person. In the like epic way where it's like, boom, say a line, boom, say a line, boom. It is like, oh my gosh, this guy is So badass.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

So did you

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

So

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

one or season two better.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

season one,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay. I did too.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

yeah. I I actually think it's a mistake to make him have changed so much appearance wise. Um,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay. I didn't have a problem with that.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

It basically goes from like a five, six little weenie to like a six 10 giant presence. And it's like, you know, It would be one thing if a 20 something year old just bulked up a little bit, but to have him overnight turn to grow two feet and. Also bulk up. You'd be like, okay, what kind of drugs is this dude taking? Because holy crap.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

It would've been interesting if they kept him short and that kind of made, uh, people I. Look down on him a little bit or not expect what he's capable of. bulking out, I didn't really have a problem with I, I looked at other s and other s grades are like twice the size of him. He's bigger than season one, but he is not huge.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

It is huge,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Not in comparison to the other s grades, not at

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

but those s upgrades were always huge.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's true. He's big in comparison to what he was before. He's not a, he's not a huge guy for the power level that he has.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

It's still just like a big change for a person, and I get that it's an anime, but like I, I actually really like his character art and. Feel like he's more generic of a anime character once he's booked out and changed. Um, so I'm not a big fan of that part of it either. Um, I also think it would've let him hide in the shadows, quote, uh, metaphorically in the community more if he wasn't doing such a drastic change, um, physically So. I don't know. We'll, we'll we'll see with season three, like That's that's honestly just a nitpick, not a big deal at all. Doesn't ruin the show at all. Doesn't do any of it. Right. And like the content that's coming out of the show, not about the show, I don't know if you've seen it, but the English voice actor for the main character did a cut. Did a TikTok about what it was like to record his arise line. And it is so funny. Yeah.'cause basically the director's like, okay, can you tone it down a little bit? And he's like, okay. Arise. And they're like, oh my gosh, freaking do the line dude. And he is like, no, no, no. Lemme take another shot at it. Um, arise. And they're like, yes. Bitch and they're like, no, why did you ask that? And then he like, way over does it. And he is like doing all these different takes and saying the word arise. Or there's one time where he is like erect and they're like, whatcha doing? Dude? That's just weird. It was so funny. I don't know. Like such great content that came out of that little moment and. Somebody took that seed and then animated it so the character is doing those lines instead of the voice actor, and it made it even better. And it's like, it's great. I love that little thing. If I can find it, I'll send it to you. But,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's awesome. I, yeah, I love this show. I would give it a nine. I would give this show a nine. Like I really, really liked it. I don't give things nine very often.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

uh, diamond 0.5 for me, I, I love. Love show. It's not that often that you get a show where you're like, we're gonna talk about from here in a minute. And that show is like, there's so many mysteries like Attack on Titan. There's so many mysteries. You just like wanna know what's gonna happen and figure out the muzzle puzzle. So that's why you wanna watch the, the next episode. Whereas this one you're just like so into the plot and the world and the universe and like.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that's just awesome.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

It's just awesome. Like I would watch a whole episode just on world building an exposition of this show. Like it's, it's, it's the same kind of feeling where you're just excited to watch the next thing, but in a different way. And I think that it's so exceptional at that and like, I love it. What about you? What did you like better? Season one or season two?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I like season one better. Um, season two. Besides the fight with the ant, never felt like he was getting pushed completely past his limits and having to evolve and go anyway, which I find just badass and really satisfying. Or season one on multiple times where I'm like, he just, he has to give everything and then find something inside of him that he didn't even know he had. And I, I have, I'm a sucker for that. And season one is, is so much of that and I freaking love it. I freaking love it. Season two didn't. Yeah, that's

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah. Same thing.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

for me

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that, is

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah. So what do you predict for season three?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that it will, whoever these people are that are already integrated in the system, it will become, there's a bigger boss somewhere out there, and that's where his next hunt's gonna be, and he'll get involved with them and then they'll go and fight on a different plane. That's kind of what I think will happen.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Interesting. I predict something different.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

okay. What do you think?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I, I think it's gonna become a whole bigger thing. I think other people are gonna get the player notification and get the ability to grow in power and he's going to have to mentor them through that. I think you're gonna get this like Avengers team up thing where season three is gonna be about, so like there's the girl character at the very end of season two who's like, I have to try and get stronger too.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Implying

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

she's gonna get

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

she's gonna have a way to get stronger too. So I predict that the, beginning of season three is the revelation that she also had something happen that gave her that ability

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I guess she did almost die like you did.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

and kind of a big way.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah. So her, she's gonna have. The interface and everything. And Then there's gonna be a couple of other people and he's gonna be, you know, trying to run his own guild

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

hmm.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

and he is gonna have these people come in that are like Hey, I know you see what I see. And they're gonna have this, like mentoring part. and then season four is gonna be the bigger introduced, bigger universe thing. And

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

have a

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

they got a Avengers team up. Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

so he's got the guild that just beats the hell out of all of their guilds because they have the system and no one else does.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

And you think it'll be all the way to season four before they interact with this larger system universe

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

season three will, will get some more taste because like the main character's dad is still on earth and is still in that prison uniform, so he's gonna have start to interact with our main character a little bit more. But overall, I think you're just gonna get a little bit, little taste there. Little thing. of like what's to come and season three is gonna end on this cliffhanger of like, is Earth gonna survive'cause of an alien invasion? Or like some big cliffhanger thing and

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

we're gonna go from there.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

level up. I like the show's called.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I like that idea. I hope it's good. That's all I'm hoping. I hope it's good.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Too.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

All right. With that, let's go to our last topic for this episode from season two. Uh, I like season two. I think season two is good. think season two has some problems. And you, you mentioned this when we were talking about season one. They don't talk about anything in the show. Like, um, the, uh, what's the character's name? The one who's been there the entire time. He has so many secrets, and the entire time I was like, why don't you ask this guy? Anything? Anything at all. And finally, the tech guy's like asking questions. Wow. who could have thought that asking questions would be good? Crazy. And, um, Boyd literally never talks about the tower. Why, or is the spider bites or anything? And all of these people are all separate. And when you have so few people, you can't afford not to have teams and work as teams and work together. They also bring up the fact that there's no food anymore. That rations are low when in season one, I honestly thought that rations just kind of popped up in this world because they have all of this stuff that they couldn't make. If they were just Agricul agricultural, they wouldn't have the ability to. So I thought it was like a magic. They just had their food provided for them, but that's not the case.'cause now they need to be hungry and that means that there are supplies issues, but they spend bullets by just shooting them into the sky. I. If you don't have infinite supplies, you're not just gonna waste bullets by shooting them up into the air. Like, who cares? You're not gonna do that. That's stupid. Um, those are some of my harsh

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Okay, let me talk about that a little bit. So in season one, they did establish supplies.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

the community house, they made the farming part of it. When they first show the community house, the characters are farming, they're gathering food, they're working in a field. Uh, they, the medical supplies was kind of like the bigger thing. And the, the doctor lady is very much like, we only get what's brought in here or what we make right. And in season one they also established that like, we have guns but we don't waste the bullets unless it's necessary. So like them shooting into the sky has always been like, I need to take attention and control of this situation, which I'm not mad at.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I think it's dumb. I genuinely think it's stupid. I really, really think it's dumb. If you're that low on bullets, you are not going to shoot them in the air. You're just not. It's

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

But what else are the bullets gonna be good for? You can't use it against your enemies, and you're not gonna kill each other with them. unless you absolutely have to.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

them. if you've played any survival horror type game, you don't just shoot bullets into the sky'cause you don't have that many.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

You also don't have a situation where a bus showed up

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

no.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

everybody's about to die, and everybody's screaming at each other and you have to shoot.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I don't have a problem with, because that has a use. When Boyd goes into the or whatever and he shoots into the air because the one lady is tied up to the tree, I'm like, no. You could just be like, dude, put your hands up and it would've accomplish the same thing. You don't have to shoot up into the sky. That's dumb.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I disagree.'cause shooting into the air is very effective and like is our real strategy. To quickly gain attention and seriousness.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

When

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

are a number of times, hold on,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

basically all the bullets you want. Yeah. Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

When you, when cops are going to a high stress situation, right? A bullet into the sky is so attention grabbing and sudden that it, it resets someone's brain, right? If they're not gonna continue what they're doing, whereas when you yell, freeze, put your hands in the air, it's not quite that much, right?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I, I get that. But they also have basically unlimited bullets.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

No, They don't.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

They

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

They're just.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

like in that situation. You have the bullets that you have, but you are not afraid of. You know what, we have five boxes of bullets. Period. That's all we have. I'm going to use one of them to shoot into the sky. No, I

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I don't buy

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Because a. Most of the time, You know, the people that you're with and you know what they're doing, and you know what they're capable of. B, you have the box scaring them into doing what they are supposed to be doing. And so you don't need to use bullets on people. They're ineffective against enemies and guns are used as a means of control.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

You

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I agree with you.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

in the forest. There's other options, like there are,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

If they don't go hunting,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

things.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

they don't go hunting.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

just that. But the wolves could attack. Like there are options. People could actually be aggressive and you might

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

don't attack.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

have seen people actually be literally violent many different times, and then you shoot them in the face if you have bullets. But if

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

No. you stick them in the box.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

shoot them in the face.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

You stick them in the box.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

None.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

in the box.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's true. But there's times where you're gonna have to shoot somebody.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Not all the time.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

wife was literally shooting up the town and you had to shoot her in the face, times where you're gonna have to shoot somebody and you need bullets to do it.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah, but that doesn't mean You have to spare every last bullet for when that could happen. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

You would be so much more careful with the bullets that you have so much more careful. I.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I disagree, like I agree with you. The bullets are a bigger thing in season two, and it was something I. noted as well, but it wasn't like this takes away from it or I don't believe that they would use the bullet in that situation. I feel like the show conjured situations that bullets would be used more often.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

okay. Um. That's fine. We disagree on that. That's all right. all right. I, I'm going over the things I didn't really like about the show first, and that one was, um, one for me, the not communicating was one, the fiance character. I actually like the character, but I feel like the drama between. doctor and the fiance feels just like drama to kind of just be drama, I didn't love, but I like the character. Um, the guy who's paranoid about the whole situation is kind of a jackass whole season. I thought most of that story was kind of dumb. I didn't like it, especially the, the dad going along with it when he's seen as much as he's seen and he is had a house fall on him and he literally saw one of the creatures eat somebody right next to him. Like he heard that happening. He's seen the bodies like he's been involved in this whole situation. I thought the dad going with it was mostly just dumb. Um. Was there anything else that I didn't love about this season?'cause I it, oh, the tech guy is not an inept person. I get that. He is not the most socially adept, he's literally looking at a picture of Victor as a child with his lunchbox and he keeps telling Victor, don't you want to go home? Well, no shit, this is his home. You're looking at a picture of him when he is like eight, and he is been here the entire time. This is obviously his home. You have a brain, you've shown you have a brain. be this moronic. And then he, uh, Victor, towards the end of the show says, this is my home. When he is asked that same question again, no, duh, of course this is his home. I thought that was stupid too. What I liked about the season, I, I thought at first I didn't like the Freddie Krueger kills in your sleep thing. I thought I wouldn't enjoy that. I think they did a very good job of implementing that, and in the end, it became a positive for me. I thought the killing of one of the night stalker people was very interesting. Very well done. I liked how that connected to the Freddie Kruger killing ballerina thing. And it built upon the mystery. I thought that was cool. I thought the tech guy going down into the basement and having the kids in that pattern, that that matches the symbol that he keeps singing and the, the chant that they're singing. Very cool. I thought the mom piecing together that the children might be locked in this tower was well done. Very interesting. I think the daughter was really good in this. I liked the relationship aspect with the, with Boyd's kid and the girl. I thought that was really good. Very well done. Um, there was a lot of intensity to it. The house falling over scene and them staying over the night was probably my favorite part of this season. I. I thought that was very chilling, very thrilling. Had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. Really well done. There was a lot of good aspects to this with a couple of things that I just kind of thought were dumb. Now tell me while I, why I'm wrong,'cause you've been shaking your head the entire time.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Because I think you're grossly over exaggerating on all of those negatives. Um, so taking it one at a time, uh, a father and douchebag guy.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Right. Let's talk about the douchebag guy. Are people like that? Yes or no? So why wouldn't There be somebody like that here?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

There is a possibility of them being, of being somebody like that there.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

There's a high likelihood.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

with him being that way. The dad falling into that I thought was unconvincing and kind of dumb. I.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Okay. I don't agree with that point either, because the, that doesn't fall completely into it.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

If there's a moment where he's pretty into it.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

No. So douche bag guy says, what if somebody here is in on it? Right. And

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

is all fake and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Right. And the dad acknowledges that like, this isn't all fake, but what if somebody is on, in, on it? Let's

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

like he's pretty much believing it's all fake also, and wanting to test out if it's

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Oh, he very much establishes that. He doesn't believe it's all fake. All fake, right. His, his question is like, let's, uh. Do the scientific method. He's an engineer and let's find out. Right. And very much, when douchebag guy crosses the line, he's like, whoa, this is not what we talked about at all And I am not okay with this. Right. And I think that Donna, that character explained it flawlessly when she got mad at the dad because she's like, I've seen this guy before. You do this kind of thing and this is what he does, right? He takes your nugget of an idea and blows it way out of proportion and does something wrong in reaction to it. And I was like, brilliant. Right? I 100% believe that the dad was like, Hey, we have to follow the scientific method here. We have to really see what's going on. If we're gonna do this experiment where we're gonna go out to the rv, but we're gonna not cover the windows we're gonna observe. Right. All of that was completely believable. And him having talked to somebody who a. knew his name, knew what he was doing in his basement, right? Of course, he's gonna believe that this is some part of grander experiment that's being done on him. You know, that's what the s that's what the. The evidence says right now, and he's,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Why go to the rv? Like you've already had the option with going to the bus and the bus already has a talisman in it and you would be able to see more clearly why go to the rv?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

because he wouldn't be observed by the other people at the RV like he would in the bus, and they also established that,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

there,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

right? He doesn't want. The people of the town knowing that he's doing an experiment on the people of the town.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

so it wants a little bit more separation. No, that's fair. I.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Right. And they establish that, they're like, Hey, I don't want Donna to know that we're doing this because if she does, their knowledge of this experiment can change the outcome if they are involved. Right. So I, I thought that it was very well done where. The dad figure has an idea. The emotionally erotic douche bag character would take that and be like, well, what if they're in on it? What if you're in on it? We have to do this dramatic thing. Right? Like, and him blowing it up because that's what highly emotionally unstable people would do. Right. Do I wish that, like do I think that the dad character might have done things a little differently? Sure. Maybe a little bit, but I. don't find it unbelievable that that character would say, Yeah. let's go out to the RV and let's observe. Let's see what's going on really. Right. I don't have any problem with that at all. Um, and that character. Doing a lot. Uh, the douchebag character, doing what he does makes sense to me too. Um, so there's that, uh, the, uh, fiance coming into town. Um, originally I was with, you kind of feels stupid, but as we were talking about via text. I no longer feel like it's random. I feel like these people are selected. So would the universe or the runners of this experiment or whatever's going on select the fiance to introduce that chaos? Yeah, because it's very well established that like this is trying to take people to their breaking point.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

So how do you break Kenny? You kill his dad. You take away his fiance, girlfriend person, and then you kill his mom and make him feel like I could have been there. Right. So again, not something I'm mad at, at all either. Right. They, they established pre her arriving that she had a drug problem. Her arriving, she has a drug problem, like.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Did you feel like while she was there? It was a little overdramatic because honestly, I, I agree with what you're saying, where if there is a selection, that selection makes sense. I'm actually okay with that. interactions together felt a little overly dramatic during the show, and not that actually I like the character. I like the drug, uh, drug abuse problem. I think it's an interesting aspect the show and worked really well with the ballerina scenes. I just felt like their interactions were a little too over the top.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I don't think so'cause

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

of what they're all dealing with. But you also have the two sides of fiance. Girl is brand new to this situation and dealing with a drug problem and doctor girl is dealing with the, I had literally just committed to Kenny. I have to take that away'cause my fiance showed up and I don't know what to do with that. Right? Like, I had no problems with that whatsoever.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Um, as for tech guy, your last complaint, um, I don't have any problem with that either because he acknowledges that, um, creepy guy has been here a long time. But it's completely believable that he wouldn't, uh, uh, think about the probability that, that he still wouldn't want to leave. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

you would

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

And like he,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that this is his home. Like he's been there. He is, been there for so long. eh,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

yeah, but like, what about his other family? You like tech guy doesn't know what his other family is, or if he has any other family. We know about mom, we know about

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

The sister,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

What about his dad?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

about the sister, but he knows about Sister. We don't know a bad dad. We have no

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Grandparents, cousins, friends, right? Like, it's not like he had no life coming into this, and everybody he's ever known died when he got here. Like. I agree with you that yes, obviously this kid has been here for a very long time and he has made it his home,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

but it is believable to me that the tech guy wouldn't think far enough into it to think that this kid wouldn't want to leave. Right?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

he just said things wrong. That could be possible. It could be a writing issue there.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

No, I don't think it's a riding issue. I. think the tech guy is saying, don't you wanna go home? But when he's meaning is, don't you want to get out of here? But in his mind he would say home because to him it's going home.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

home

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Right. So tech guy, right? People miscommunicate all the time. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's true. It does happen.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

And I believe tech guy would use the word home, and I do believe that kid or creepy guy who's essentially got. Sixth grade education and is still very much a kid because he is never matured. He's always been in this horrifying place where it's just been survival, would hear the word home and say, this is my home, and not hear that. What the tech guy is saying, don't you want to get out of here? And I do believe that he wants to get out of here.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I don't even know if he wants to get outta there, to be honest. I get what you're saying. I think you're

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I think he. Does. I just don't think he, he can. He can think about what that looks like right

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah, I don't

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

He knows what is going on and he can, he knows what it is, and he's lived here and he knows what to expect. He doesn't know what does getting out of here look like? How does he live? How does he get by? Who does he know? X, Y, Z, whatever, right? But I think he still knows this place is horrifying and I still would rather be in a good place than here. Right. He just, he doesn't know. what that looks like.'cause All he's really experienced,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

All he knows is this I'm,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

right?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

he might not even really remember beforehand or just think that that actually he doesn't remember. He specifically said that he shut down memories from earlier in his life. So he probably doesn't remember

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

not be there like

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

yeah, Yeah. So I can see that character. Right. Let's, let's talk hypothe hypothetically, right? Hypothetically, they find the way out of there. I could see his character saying, I'm going to stay. I could also see his character saying, I'm going to leave. I'm gonna take this chance and I'm gonna follow this, these people,'cause I don't like it here. Right. But he doesn't know that out here isn't worse than here. Right. He doesn't have that association. So I, I find that interaction just totally fine. Believable too. Like I think the tech guy is actually the, the standout of season two. I. think the episode where they're hold up in the dimer is the, is the best episode of the show. Um,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

your next con Uh, complaint about nobody talking

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

is a valid complaint, though. It is part of the show, if that makes sense.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Uh, I I don't, I get what you're saying, but people would talk and I think that that's

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

But what if they didn't know to talk? Right? That's part of the show, right? Like I'm sitting here like at the beginning of season two. Why didn't you talk about the lighthouse? Why are you not talking about the lighthouse? Right? You talked about the kids chanting. Do you know what they're saying? Okay. It, it's made up for the show, but it means remember so clearly something is messing with their memories and they allude that to that with the cop when he does talk about the lighthouse because it goes through this like, oh yeah, this happened. Oh yeah, this happened. Oh yeah, this happened. And then he does talk about the lighthouse. So there are times where I'm like, talk about what happened. Right When the cop first comes back and he says nothing about his experience really with his son, you would 100% talk about what happened with your son.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

And they would

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Like, yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

about what happened. Nobody asks questions,

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Well, the son does ask questions

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

not.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

the dad goes, he very much is like, I'm hiding something. Comment. Right. And the son ends with like, fine, keep your secrets, that's fine. But just like, be present, be back. Right. Like, like, and then he walks out of the, the jail. Right. Um. Yeah, talk about what happened to you and talk about the guy you interacted with and talk about the fact that he said, your blood is my blood, and all those things that you do remember, but like at the same time, there's a lot of memory shenanigans that do, are, is playing a part in the show.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That's a good point because I thought that with the ballerina stuff too, I'm like. You're seeing all this ballerina stuff. You're hearing the sound, other people are hearing the sound, and you didn't happen to mention that you went to this dungeon where there was a ballerina sound, and now everybody else is hearing it. Why are you not saying anything?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah, so my complaints about season two are specifically around that. Um, because he doesn't say anything. People start experiencing it. People start hearing that children's primary rhyme. And Kenny doesn't go, I literally just had a dream. I know the rest of this. And instead they walk around and talk to 10 other people like going on here. What's the ending of this rhyme? I've never heard of it before. And Kenny's walking around with him and I'm like, you had a dream.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yep.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

and you've talked about the dream and you know, it, it like, Okay. like there is some problems there. I 100% agree with you. There's some problems in season two. Uh, I just don't agree with what they are. I have different ones. Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay. That's totally fine, man. I still like season two. I think season three really needs to have some answer of some kind. an actual answer. It doesn't need to answer everything, I need a answer to something. I really, really liked the way this season ended. I think this season ender is better than season one. Um, very cool season end with her waking up in the hospital. Very interested in that, but we didn't really get like any answers. We just got more hypotheticals and an actual answer would be good for the show.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

At

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I agree. Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

you watched

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Um,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

at

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I'm two episodes in,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

so I, I kind of know what happens with the hospital, um, and what happens with the hospital and with her. Kind of leads into why I think it's not random,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

why I think they're selected.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Interesting. I hope we get some kind of answer. I, I think there needs to be something in season three. I think there needs to be an answer. Otherwise the show kind of feels draggy.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Well, we're gonna find out.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

We'll see.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Well, I'll watch season three eventually. Um. So where are you sitting with the show in general? Where are you at with it?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Uh, I, for me, like really, really depends on what they do with season because season two had some rough stuff, but overall still enjoyable. But I felt like, we're not figuring out anything and nobody's talking, so nobody can figure out anything. And yes, the killing of one of the vampire things, whatever the heck they are, was cool. awesome. And I like how it led to a even nastier bad guy, but we still have literally no answers. And one of the answers was, we're supposed to free these kids that are in the tower, and then she just gets pushed out of the tower and there's no answers. I just want a answer of some kind. Tech guy can figure it out. I don't care who figures it out. answer and then have that person tell other people about whatever answer they figure out.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Okay, but I'll reiterate my question. How are you feeling about the show as it stands right now?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

As it stands. I'm still very interested. Still a good show, not as good as season one I had less issues with season one.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

So, uh, what's your hype level to start season three?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Um, seven

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

So are you, are you gonna jump into it eventually? Are you okay with waiting for a little while?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I. Before the very last moment where she wakes up in the hospital, I was like, I would get to it when I get to it. That made me really interested and, and will be happy start the next season. That aspect,'cause I

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Okay.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that was really, really cool. What were you at when season two

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I immediately jumped into season three.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay. And are you just basically waiting for me to catch up and that's why you haven't kept going?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

And then other shows and stuff as that have happened. And

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay. Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

like, uh, we have three episodes this week and basically all my, all of my topics are, are movies.'cause that's just what I've only got one book to talk about at zero podcasts. Just been watching movies. It's been kind of a more movie week for me, so.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Kind of in a movie mood. All right, well maybe we'll watch season three this next week. I am in where it goes and I have my fingers crossed. I just really don't want the mystery to. Never be solved. I won't, I, I respect severance for having a answer in season two so much because most of these shows do that. And I like

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

You do have a answer in season two.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

What answer is that?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Can you leave?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I guess you do have that answer. You do have that answer. That's a good an yeah, that's true. That's true.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

There is a way out.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

If there is a way out, that is something that makes me like that scene even more.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

You also get an answer of, is the wife's voice real?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Uh, we know there's still so many questions behind that that I don't

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah, but It was real.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

It was the wife's voice May. Yes.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

we know it was the wife? No. But do we know. It was real and that it really talked to him and really told him that.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yes. We know

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yes. We do know that too.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

happening there of some kind. There is something. And it does lead credence to maybe dying is really the way to get out because she gets pushed out of a window and that's how she wakes up. So there is some possibility there of some kind.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

That last scene was very good. It's

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

agree. Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Um, what would you rate the two seasons?

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Season one's like a 9.5 outta 10 for me. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Wow.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

'cause I absolutely love season one. I was so into it. I was like, like I told you, like I had to force myself to stop watching the show. Season two clearly was not that, right? I like finish season two. Be like, oh, I better stop watching this so Conlin can catch up and so we can talk about it at the same time together. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

It was good enough that I was like, Okay. I'm jumping into season three. I don't need to wait. I don't need to, whatever. But like, I'm two episodes in and have been since I finish season two, so it's just not like there for me. So like season two is like a seven out of 10.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Like it, it does feel a little bit more draggy. I do wish we were getting more pieces together. I get that the show is saying, Hey, we're messing with their memories. That's why they're not talking about it. I just think it would be a better show without that aspect. I wish that you, you just had the characters talking to each other.'cause you still don't know enough. Right. All you can really say is like. I talked to cop's wife, I talked to a cop's wife too, and it clearly was the same being because it had the same information, right? Um, we still have no idea what's going on with that blood stuff. Um, we know that the bio bullets didn't work. Obviously that wasn't going to work. Um, I actually loved the dying in your sleep thing. And thought it was brilliant when Kathy, Katie, whatever, um, was like, my brother feared locusts and maybe killing this thing made our

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

that.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

nightmares. Maybe it's our nightmares that. are creating this place, right.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I thought that was very cool. I.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

That was so epic. And it's like, okay, maybe if you die, what you most fear becomes a problem for somebody else, which means these vampire things was just somebody else's worst nightmare,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

Which

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

and they conjured them up by just dying, you know?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

I.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

Uh, super, super super cool, Um, my letdown is like originally when the sleep thing starts happening. It is just happening to those who were present at the death of the thing. And I was like, oh, maybe that ties into it. Maybe because they saw the death or were in the proximity of the death, or were like, it was aerosolized and they breathed something in that's making them experience it. Right? But then it very quickly goes on beyond that and I. was like, okay. So now it's just the, it's no longer the death of this. thing. It's clearly. The world that they're in. So I felt like it was a little less specialized and took away from the significance of the death for me. Um, that kind of stuff, stuff that I'm like, it's not bad, but I, I think It would be better if, but clearly I also don't know the full thing that's going on, so I, I'm obviously not in the writer's room, so what do I know? Yeah. What about you? Season one? What was that for you?

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

It was an eight and then a seven. No, I'm surprised that our season two is the same, to be honest, because I, I think I had a few more problems, yeah, I would, I would give it a seven. There's a

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

I just,

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

positives

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

call them problems, I would just call them like enjoyment of the show. You just enjoyed the show? Less, uh, like you're calling problems and I'm saying. It's not a problem. I just, with season one, I was just on this edge of my seat the entire season and ended the season. I was like, oh man. I'm so excited to jump into season two. And with season two it's more like, there was a couple of moments like that, like with the diner where I was just on the edge of my seat, but a lot of the time it wasn't really that, and it. was a lot more like, okay, we're starting to like get more complete characters. We're spending more time like with exposition and dialogue and that kind of thing. So obviously we're not gonna be at the edge of my seat as much as it's a natural part of storytelling. So it's natural that this is kind of a lull, but we'll see what happens.

konlin-gappmayer_4_04-02-2025_184425:

We'll see. Excited for next season, and go ahead. You can close it out.

josh-dietrich_4_04-02-2025_144429:

All right. Thank you anybody for watching or listening. Thanks again for any subscribers who are subscribed to our content. Super appreciate it. Uh, like, comment, let us know what you agree with, what you disagree with, um, from. Is it good show? Is it, tell us, is it gonna be another loss situation? Are we just gonna be forever getting mysteries to no answers situation? Um. Solo leveling. Is it the best anime of all time? Is it, is it lit? Rrp g the show? Like if you like Lit RPG, do you like the show? If you don't like Art Lit, RRP G do you not like the show? Is it really correlated? Like it does in my mind? Um, let us know what your guys' thoughts are. Uh, if you have any suggestions of things you want us to watch and talk about, let us know that too. Um, thanks again.

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