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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Oklahoma! - Week 27: Episode 1
Oklahoma! - Week 27: Episode 1
Eminence in Shadow, From Justin to Kelly, She Loves me, Oklahoma!
00:00 - Eminence in Shadow
10:36 - From Justin to Kelly
21:23 - Oklahoma
33:00 - She Loves me
Hey guys, it is onscreen offscreen again with another episode. I am gonna have Josh go first with whatever this is.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It is. an anime, the eminence in shadow, uh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:basically I'm having some solo leveling withdrawals. I wanted something epic. Um, this is actually the second time I've watched season one and the first time I've been to season two. The premise of this is, uh, I am a character and this guy, in the very first episode, his whole goal is to become the eminence and shadow. So he wants to think of himself. As a background character in his daily life. So he underperforms, he, he basically wants to become like, so, like forgo, forgettable and such a loser and everything that nobody would expect him to become This. Batman, essentially. So he's at school, everybody makes fun of him, treats him like crap, X, Y, z, whatever. And then one of his schoolmates gets kidnapped and he puts on a mask, you know, and. You know, he, he's basically this martial artist guy and he goes and he rescues her right, and it's got these really good fight, this really cool fight scene between him and these thugs. And the episode ends with him getting hit by a car. And then episode two starts where he wakes up with all of his memories from that life as a baby in a new life. Where there's magic. So he still has the same goal of becoming the eminence and shadow. So like he goes to school and he's like, I picked these friends. Because they're the exact right fit for a background character in a game because they're not named characters. They're just these loser guys who are kind of in the background of shots or will sometimes have some one-liners in a game or a show or whatever. And then he meets the princess and basically he lost a bet to these two friends where he has to go confess his love. And he is like, it's the perfect chance to be a background check character because she's just gonna reject me. And so he goes and fake confesses his love, expecting to get rejected, and she says yes. And he is like, no. When did I enter this? Rom-com? And uh. This is not what I ne needed to happen, but turns out she was just kind of like using him. So it still kind of worked out. But it's him kind of like trying to have his regular person, persona be this absolute loser face who gets wrecked, right? So they get, they have sword fight training and magic training and all this kinds of stuff, and he's like out of school to become a knight kind of a thing. But he's thought of as like the most basic, boring. Worst fighter at the school and all this kinds of stuff, but he keeps getting like sucked into these bigger communities and stuff. Um, and that's all we know so far. Now there are things in it that make me think it's more lit, RPG than it's being let on. So there's like matrixy things, visuals that happen from time to time. Um. So I think he's kind of like in a simulation or in a game or something and we just haven't figured that out yet. Um, but yeah, it's a very enjoyable show. It's got great humor. It's got some really good fight scenes. Um, I've still dying to know about like the first episode'cause it's one episode they've got like this whole situation where he. He puts on this mask and saves this girl and like it seems like more important because otherwise, why wouldn't you just like have him be in the magic world with episode one? Why? Why do they have him in the regular world for episode one?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:character building to me.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah, but like you could just like say he has all these memories from his past life.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:It seems like showing it would be a little bit more impactful.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But it's An entire episode
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:An anime episode is 20 minutes long, like
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:still. I, I think it's more important. I don't know why I. think that's more important than, than it is. Um, but yeah, I'm like halfway through season two. I'm absolutely enjoying It No, it's not as good as solo leveling. No, it's not as good as Ferin. No, it's not my favorite anime of all time. The biggest irritation I have with it is it's actually not on crunchy roll. It's on high dive, and their player absolutely sucks. It's garbage. I as a. Very amateur web developer could do a better job than whatever that mess is.'cause it sucks.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:It
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It is terrible. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:so bad?
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:So if you go to the, like the website, I. Um, there's these things that you do when you're developing a website where you like have these animations and things for, like, when you're hovering over a button, it'll like move so you can see that this one's selected Very often there are two options And one is blue and one is white,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:And that's it.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:and That's it. And it swaps when you move between the two. But like on your TV remote. That doesn't necessarily tell you which one's on it, especially if you, you're on the left and you press left, it goes to the right one. So it doesn't help you figure out which one you're actually selecting. Uh, autoplay is not a thing. It doesn't remember your history, so you basically have to go back out, search for the show, pull up the show. Remember what episode you just watched, press play on the next episode.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That's ter, that's, that's terrible.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It's awful. It is truly, truly, truly, truly dreadful. And it's like, seriously, people like I know you are nowhere near the size of CRO roll and this is basically your only show that keeps you relevant. But like basic web development here. Basic stuff. Yeah. Make a better web player. Uh, my other irritation is they only offer yellow subtitles. I hate that at,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Weird.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Why not just white?
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I don't know.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:white.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I don't know. Most what most shows are white have white subtitles. Most most web players have white subtitles options and unlike Amazon, they'll let you like pick the size and the color if you really want to. This one's like just white. It's terrible. So I always have it turned off and that like most of the time doesn't matter very much and except when your character's like reading a message, they don't read it out loud and it doesn't display the text in English for me to understand. What's on the note or what's in the text or whatever, so I'm just like, must not be out aboard.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Uh, that's funny. That's
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I'm probably not gonna go through that pain to watch this show, but it sounds pretty good. Honestly. It sounds like a good show.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Oh, It it is, it's, it's totally worth watching if they, honestly, if they just got like auto play to work. It would save so much effort
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:like sometimes it does work to be fair, just sometimes it doesn't. And like for me, where I'm like watching at my computer while I'm working on a project or I'm watching on in my bed, on my projector, or I decide to, to lay down on my couch and watch on my tv, it means that every time I move somewhere, I'm having to search it again and typing with. A remote is awful. So, but it's a good show. It really is. It's worth a watch. Like I would say, watch it. It's, it's good. It's really interesting. The humor is good. It's not just like action and it's not just romance. And it's got a great balance between the two and I like it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Cool, cool, cool, cool. It sounds good, man. Um, I was gonna actually say this for next episode, but I found out solo leveling is actually a lit RPG. I think I've talked about it Royal Road before, but Royal Road is a website that you can go and they have a bunch of amateur writers that start writing. Primal Hunter was started there, dungeon Crawler. Carl was started there. Mother of Learning was started there. I've read a ton of novels on there. And Solo Leveling was started as a lit RPG in Korea on something called Man Nupe, something like that. It's literally railroad in Korea. Like it is PG website
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Menu pie.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Um, menu pie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's called. Um, and then it got transferred over to a manga and then it got
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Maha.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yes. And then I got the, uh, anime treatment, but think that's pretty cool. It's
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:That's super cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:rpg. I
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Anyway, we'll go to my topic. I'm gonna do from Justin to Kelly first.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:This is, uh, this is a bad movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:just not a horrible movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:deserve the 1.9, but you were gonna give it like a seven and it doesn't deserve that either. me, this is much on the level of like. Teen Disney movie. But like, I, I think your, your representation of high school musical is very good. I think it is very much just on the level of high school musical, high school musical is not terrible. is watchable, but it's not good. And that's kind of what I think with this show. The acting is all decent. The writing of it is really bad. My wor my hair won't even fit through there. And then she goes, I'm from Texas. I've seen bigger, blah, blah. no,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:That's funny. That is funny.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:It was
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:That's funny. Yep.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:and it was dumb. And then, uh, you find out that the guy's, the waiter and every, everything stops like, oh, no, he's a waiter. There's no way they could date because he's a waiter. It.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:That's, uh, I'll fight you on that one too actually.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Oh, really? I thought it was dumb.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:there are a million clips out there.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:What? Dumb.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:There are a million clips out there
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:somebody asking women saying something like, would you date a barista? And all of these women saying, no.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:What
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:All ages.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:All ages. I feel like if there's a cute waiter. That the girls would date him if they were like young college ages.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Only if after they found out like they're in school to be going towards engineering or something and they're just paying their way through school, right? Like. I get it. They did overdramatize it, but it's like kind of true at the same time.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay, girls watching this, would you date a waiter? And like you, you vibe with him, you like him, you think he's attractive. The second you find out he was a waiter, would it be like, Nope, I'm done. Nuh, I'm not even gonna ask more questions. Oh no, he's a waiter. What do you think? I'm curious.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Nobody's going to admit to that, and you are overdramatizing your reaction to that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That's what it felt like in the movie. Um, I think the blonde girl does a really good job with it. She plays Erica Marsh in One Tree Hill.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Mm-hmm.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Uh, that's who we couldn't figure it out last time. That's who she's in. she does a good job with that. I didn't like about the show that I feel like dragged it out is you have, you have Kelly Clarkson and she is so against this like. of partying being involved in this. But it starts to show with her just grinding on random guys. And that's like the song that she's singing is about grinding on random guys. But then she's just too objectified as she goes and she parties and, um, you have this mix of like. She's supposed to be innocent and be the innocence that's in those kind of shows. That kind of brings the innocent charm along with all of the sexiness and it, it's not evenly split. It's not, it's not well done. So you don't get the cute charm of something like that. She's all she's,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:she's all thought.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. You don't get the cute charm of that, that's a very similar kind of movie. All that has some of the sexiness moments, but you have the charm that evens out the tone of the whole movie. Where this one, it feels uneven. Am I wrong on that?
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I agree with your premise. I disagree with your, uh, feminism comment.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Because she's not against partying, right? Like she goes to the party, she goes to parties. She got dragged to spring break. She was expecting to go to parties. She brought up the feminism stuff when it came to like whipped cream bikinis and like objectifying women directly. And I do see a distinction there. I agree with you on premise that like. They don't do a good job of balancing the innocence plot and her making an indu in, uh, innuendo with her saying like, I've seen bigger in Texas. You know, and like she does, like the innocence thing was definitely not well done, but like she's never in the show against partying. That's the part That I disagree with.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That is. It's a pretty enjoyable enough movie there. There's like a couple other things. Like there's a part where the nerdy kid gets pulled into playing, uh, volleyball. And I'm literally looking in the background. I'm like, six pack, six pack, six pack, six pack. There's another one. And you're gonna pick the nerdy guy who has his shirt tucked in and his big on glasses. Nope. No you're not. That's stupid. You don't even know this kid. There's no way. Kind of dumb. I think this show shouldn't be rated as low just based on the music. The musical alone should ra it, raise it higher, because these songs are very good. I actually, like the first song wasn't my favorite. The rest of the songs I really, really enjoyed they harmonize really, really well together. Justin should have pushed singing more because he is very good he's even better with Kelly. Kelly. They just, they sing together and they mesh well together vocally. The chemistry on screen. I don't really completely it's great, but it's not terrible. It's, it's good enough. The chemistry as far as vocally is great and it deserves like a four star just for that. That's kind of my thought song from Justin to Kelly. I'd probably, I'd give it like a 5.4, something like that. It's just above. it's decent. That's, that's what I would call it. It is decent. It's not a terrible movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I agree with everything you're saying. I think critically you are absolutely right. I just think at the end of the day, it's more enjoyable than that. Even though it's bad. You, you just enjoy the music and like, I wanna bring up the way they did. The blonde girl Kelly Clarkson, Justin, like. Combination with like Kelly actually trading her like garbage the whole time. Like, did you at least notice that, see that and give it credit for that?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:For sure.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:So, so like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:at the very end, she wasn't like, I don't want you in my life anymore'cause you suck. Which would've made me like it a little bit better
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:agreed.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I thought that was kind of a disappointment towards the end, but at least they did make her just suck.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. but like, so, so for me, I gave it a seven because like, critically it's bad. It is objectively a bad movie. The writing is not great. There's a lot of cheese to it, but songs were very enjoyable to great,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Good.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:uh, dancing, not so much. I'll give you credit for that. The choreography was not great. Uh. But they have this thing that at so many shows have tried to do that thing where girl is jealous of other girls. So she tries to steal man. But I've never seen it done better. I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Um. It is done well in this, like she is very conniving. She does a good job of doing the conniving thing while appearing innocent and nice, and you like understand her motivations for it's pretty shallow of like being liked and being loved and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I was also looking at it like. Kelly, it's so easy for you. You just have everything so good. And I was looking at her and I was like, you are extremely hot. think things might be a little easy for you and I think that you're whining a little too much'cause you are very attractive. and it kind of made me, I like if, if she was on a similar level of attraction to Kelly, I would actually buy the movie more. But she is just significantly more attractive. very good looking.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I agree with you, but that's not the point. The point is she wants genuine human connection. It's not that it's hard, it's that that. People just look at her as the hot party girl, which does make me buy it more. Right. She's not saying it's hard to get guys. She's saying it's hard to get guys who actually see me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:and don't just want me because I'm a party girl.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:And then. But with that premise, you have to buy that Justin and their connection actually makes a lot of sense.'cause like, uh, has that moment where she's like, I thought I knew him. I thought he was charming and funny and wonderful. And I was like, you talked in a bathroom for two seconds and made it. about Texas. Like that's all you know about this guy. That's it. And I know you let it go'cause it's a little bit hallmarky, whatever. that, that's all. That's all you know. You don't know if he's a good guy. You don't know if he's a bad guy. You know nothing.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I agree with you, but at the same time, I have seen younger college, high school girls have that kind of reaction to guys.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That's true. I have to.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:So it's not like unrealistic or. Anything. Right. She met with this guy. She had a good vibe with him. She felt this connection. Yes. the writing is bad, but the premise isn't bad.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Terrible. That's true.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That is true. Uh, anyway, that's kind of Justin and Kelly. Um. Let's, I'll, I'll do my review of our shared topic'cause it kind of connects with what my other topic is. Oklahoma is a bad musical. not very good at all. I, there's a lot of problems with it. Like a lot of problems. I thought I liked this musical, but I like some of the music in it. I don't like the musical. Um. They have, Jed is dead and Jed is Dead, is one of the worst songs that has ever been written. And I hate it. hate it completely. Um, I literally, I had never heard it before. Sid loves this musical and she likes it now less because of all the things that I brought up. But learned, I looked over at her and I was like, is he convincing this guy to commit suicide? Is that, is that like what's happening? I legitimately didn't believe that I was watching that. I thought I was missing something, and, and there's no real reason for it yet. Like this guy isn't, I, I don't think it would be a good song regardless of what they did. But this guy, they, they haven't talked about him being a criminal. They haven't talked about him being a creep. They haven't talked about him being anything. He's just a guy that's a hired hand and kind of a loner. That's literally all you know about him. And then your main character, who's supposed to be the main love interest, goes in and tries to commit the convince this guy to commit suicide in one of the cringes songs I have ever seen in my entire life. And no matter where you go with the musical after that point, we have to buy that. We want this guy to end up with this girl, and there is no world in which I want this guy to end up with anybody because I now don't like him. You can't really change the fact that I don't like him because he's sang that terrible song. Yes. Jed is, oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I just wanna jump in with my 2 cents here. Uh, I think it's made way worse because after that happens, we have the main girls acid trip.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:it's terrible.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah, which is an awful part of the play, hands down. But then she wakes up and Jed is just a nice, good guy. So our main character is painted as like this jealous, controlling, terrible. person and this guy who's just happens to be kind of lonely. Is actually a good guy,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:He's just a little bit of a lonely, awkward person.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:but it is just a little bit awkward and is treated like total crap because of it. Now in the end, they try and make him a bad guy, but at that point it's too late. But God.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:it is. Too late. That's where I was gonna go with this making. Jed, I usually hate the whole villain is treated like the bad guy thing. It, it very, very rarely works for me. I love Wicked. a huge, huge exception. This one doesn't mean to make me feel bad for the villain, but I do I'm like, Jed probably wouldn't become this person if somebody would just give a crap about him and not try to sink him to commit suicide. I just, you, you, and yes, they try to make him the bad guy. They try to have her like basically assault the main girl, which is a problem too. And it makes you not like him either. But then you have the issue of not liking anybody you have the cowboy that came back from the$50 he's just kind of a slimy person. And you don't like him. And the girl that he's going after is kind of a cheating hoe, bagg, and you don't like him. The main character is somebody who tries to commit, uh, get somebody to commit suicide. So you don't like him. the girl that he's going after for some reason wants to play hard to get in the weirdest way ever. I don't really understand it. you don't really like her, but you don't hate her? She's fine. She's fine.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Oh, I hate her.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Oh, I don't hate her. She's fine to me. Why do you hate her?
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Oh because she's like, I, don't want no man. I, don't need nobody. And then she goes through an acid trip, and then because the acid trip painted a different guy as a bad guy, she wakes up and she's like, I'm in love with Hugh Jackman. No, you are not. You just that were terrified and was like, not this guy. So this like, no, that makes Hugh Jackman, her rebound fallback safety net and it's like, no.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I watched both versions, so I watched the Hugh Jackman version and I watched the original movie, which I'm gonna get to that in a second, but. The original movie is The Structure's a little bit different. Like she's going with him to the ball when she tries to, when he tries to kiss her, um, and she runs away with the horses to the, the box, whatever it's called, the box social, it makes it so it's a little bit more of a smooth process where this one I'm like, you just had the bidding war he bought your box and now you're on a date. With Jed, who you don't like, what, what are you doing? This makes no sense. In the other version, it's a little bit better and I think it's acted a little bit better. So you can tell that she's, she feels like she's playing hard to get, but really likes him. We're in the musical version with Hugh Jackman. I'm like, do you like this guy? What, what? What's going on? And it doesn't flow nearly as well. It is better in the movie version that way. But still not good. Like even though they changed it a little bit, it's better, but still not good. Where else was I going with this? Um, some of the music I do really like, I think some of the music is good. I the. Cowboys and Farmers should be friends is very like Barney Song. But I actually kinda liked it even though it's very Barney song. I'm just a girl who can't say no is kind of a terrible song. But I honestly liked it. I enjoyed that song and I like the Oklahoma song that is pretty famous now that that brings me to the movie version. And I told my wife, I literally was watching the movie version and I was like, damn it. I have to admit Josh is right. I don't think Hugh Jackman is a Broadway level performer. I think you are right, and I hate saying that, but I do. I do think that, um, guy who plays, the guy who plays in the movie so much better than Hugh Jackman. It's not even funny. He like blows Hugh Jackman out of the water, with the exception of the Jed is dead song that I hate that. I think Hugh Jackman does a little bit better, but everything else, the other guy is just better. Hugh Jackman is outclassed by Jed in the deep baritone kind of voice in the songs where they sing together. Jed does a better job and I was wrong and I hate that I was wrong, but I was. I don't think he's, I still think he does a pretty good job in this, but he's, he is not, is not a, a Broadway level talent. Nope.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:was wrong.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:so I'll jump in there. Um, so I had to force myself to watch Oklahoma. I, I got to the Jet is Dead song and I turned it off and I tried to find a different Hugh Jackman musical to watch so that I could compare and talk about that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Because I, the play sucks. It is just terrible.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:it's not
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I, in terms of stage tech sucks, normally I'm like, stage tech is at least cool. No, it's terrible. Uh, I don't think Hugh Jackman does a good. job. I think his voice at times are, is okay, but like I. He was very stiff and un uninspiring with his movement, I guess is how you would put it. Where everybody else who's out on the stage is out there, like giving it their all and performing and making Hugh Jackman look even worse with his acting skills. Right. And I hate saying acting skills'cause they're, when he's not like singing and moving. He actually is a great actor in the play. There are a number of times where I was like, man, he killed that emotion. He absolutely nailed it with that, but like anytime he's having to sing and move, it just like kills me. I'm like, he can't do both at the same time. He just cannot do it much less anytime he needs to dance or do anything more than just walk it. So. Like, yeah, we talked about it last time. I wanted to ask, at what point do you think Hugh Jackman's name played a role in him getting a Broadway role?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I don't know. Didn't, wasn't a big enough name for this obviously. Was he really a big name before he played Wolverine? I can't think of
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:that really made him big.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:so that's what I wanted to bring up. So he did Kate and Leo pulled first. In 1999,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:uh, then the X-Men one came out in 2000. He was not on Broadway before then?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Oh, he wasn't.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:No,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:this was, wasn't this 19 something
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:this was 1998, but it was not Broadway. It wasn't even Australia's top performance. So we're watching Oklahoma, which is Australia's. Off Broadway. And if you wanna take it even further than that, Broadway and London's West End are top are thought of as like top tier English theater and nothing compares. And below that you would have the top tier Australia, Sydney Theater, and below that you would have Royal Hall where this is. This is filmed and produced and stuff, which I would put as like higher than Hail center theater, but I. wouldn't put it anywhere close to saying Broadway level production.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:So he was in on Broadway 2007, 2009 and 2011, way after the first and second X-Men.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Then I think that his name got him on Broadway.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I am not saying it got him on Broadway solely, but like played a role in it
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:played role in it.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:then. Then yeah, that's where I wanted to go with that. Um, but since you agree with me now and we agree, a Hugh Jackman is not a Broadway talent,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:he is not.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:we can move on.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. Um, so that, that led me to watching some other things with famous people who are on Broadway, and she loves me as one of those things that I watched. didn't really love the first third of this movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It's kind of slow.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:it was super slow, like so, so slow
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay, hold on. Time out.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It's not as slow as the first third of Oklahoma Continue.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:so I, I struggled. I struggled more with the first third of this show actually.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Oh, Oklahoma's. Way worse.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:but I was watching it and I was like, you know what, Zach is doing a pretty good job. He's doing good enough. And about a third of the, actually for me when it really pivotally changes is when they have the dinner scene Zachary shows up and they ha finally have the meeting from then on. I really enjoyed the music, the musical before that. Yeah, Zachary Levi does a very good job in this musical, but he is also very much Zachary Levi in it. So like, I don't know if he'd do as good or work as well in other musicals. Where he had to play more of a different character. I feel like he was just Chuck, like the character that I've seen him play in everything every single time. Um, but he does a good job with the singing. He does a pretty good job with the dance, like he does a solid enough job in it. Uh, and I, I overall liked the musical. I also was a little disappointed with the end. It kind of just ends, but overall. solid second half. Much, much, much better than the first. Yeah. And then, um, the kid, kid is fantastic. favorite part of the whole musical. I love the kid. Um, the song that he sings where he is trying to convince him to get the job is my favorite song in this musical. Easily sign close. But I liked it. Thank you for showing me it. The other ones that I went into that were. Famous people that were on musicals. It's, it's hard with musicals because you don't have a lot of recordings of So you have to get bootleg versions. You have to get illegal to be able to find anything. And I found parts of other musicals, two Standouts for me, or three One. Daniel Radcliffe is fantastic. He is really good. and I watched an interview with him where he's like. I looked back at my earlier years with Harry Potter and I really sucked at acting and there were a lot of things where I really wasn't happy with the way I acted, but people seemed to like me, so that's good. But if I had to do it over again, I would, I would do a way better performance than that, and I appreciate that. He was somebody who literally had so much money he would never have to work again, but decided to devote himself and become better. He's in one right now, that's called merrily. We roll along. I got to watch a decent amount of it. It's very, very good and he is absolutely excellent in it. Uh, really good. Like, much better than either of these other performers. Much better. Sheldon, he doesn't do singing, but I watched part of a music of a play he's in and he's also fantastic, like really good, but he doesn't sing, so kind of pulls it outta the conversation. The one that surprised me the most was Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Gyllenhaal is fantastic. Like really, really, really good. He plays, um, George in the park, George Sunday with George in the park. Um, it's based on that Pointilism painting where you have the woman she's wearing the bodice with the umbrella, you know, which what I'm talking about. I've
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:a very old musical.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:yeah, I've always loved that painting and I didn't know that this was, this was about, I actually, I. I found pointilism fascinating when I was a kid. Just somebody who literally did dots and they created, that blew my mind. Um, and the, this musical is really good. Like it's a, it is a good musical. And Jake Gyllenhaal just great. Like I thought he was a good actor. He's a, he has some of my favorite performances. is underrated as a singer. He is underrated as an actor. He's just great and all of those. Of them was better than you Jackman in this movie.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. Hugh Jackman is just, he's not a very good performer. Like I, he's better than me for sure, like he's, he's far better than I could ever do, no matter how much training and practice I did. He's just not very good and like he, he never earned a spot in my mind to play a lead musical role. Much less a lead musical role on Broadway. Um, he's just not good enough in my mind for that. I've got a very high outlook on the type of performer that that should be, and he just doesn't measure up to it. Um, as for Zachary Levi. I, I think he's about the same, maybe slightly better. Um, just because he can sink and move at the same time. But like beyond that, not very much more impressive. Um, I agree with you. The first third of that is really slow. I think the first third of Oklahoma is also really slow, um, Oklahoma like. Uh, even at its most surface value is a guy in love with his second cousin. And at its worst, it's a guy in love with his cousin. So there's that. It's about Hugh Jackman pining over this girl who treats him like garbage. Um, it's just not that good at all. Um.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:So I think that they call her Auntie L just because that's like what she's known by. Like people will be like, mama or whatever. grandma. Donna what? Whatever it is. Like there's people that are just gone known by that. I don't think it's actually his aunt.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It's Oklahoma, like It takes place in Oklahoma. I think the probability that she's actually his aunt and her aunt is pretty high.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:but everybody calls her aunt, which is possible that the whole town is, is connected to each other. Who doesn't call her Aunt L.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Uh, the Pedler guy and Jed doesn't,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I thought Jed did. I
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:not in the musical version. Maybe in the movie version, but not in the musical,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay. Interesting.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:because I was thinking about that the entire time. I was like, It could be your cousin and your defense could be your second cousin too, but like.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I was like, that's just her name. That's just what she goes by. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I don't know. Um, but no, it's, it's, it's not very good. And you, like, you want the I Want song to establish some kind of character growth, like trajectory. What are we doing? And they don't even really have that. Like there's no, what, what do these people want? I guess their cousin,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah, it's just like the pacing is really bad. Like we've already talked about how she like does this. Motivations are just awful.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:You have nobody that you root for in the show. Like honestly, the thing that made me the happiest was that the peddler got some other chick pregnant and she was just more annoying than. Annie and you're like, serves you right for treating people like such garbage. Um, I, was very disappointed in the guy Annie ends up with because he very clearly defines a boundary and is like, crossed that line and I, will leave and you'll be left with nothing. Right. There's a whole song about it and I'm like, yeah, my favorite character. Heck yeah. And then she kisses the pedler right in front of him.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Which is so cringe. It's so cringey.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. And then he's like, okay,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. He's like, whatever. It's all good.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:no, you just told her cheat. Do whatever the heck you want. Keep hoeing around.'cause my boundaries don't mean anything. Yeah. It's, you literally root for nobody in this play.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Then you had the, uh, like Jed wants to kill curly, and so he is like, can you get me one of those things that you look through and there's a knife. How in the world does Jed know about this thing? How does Jed know about this? would not know what that is. There's
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I don't remember him asking for it. I
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. That's why he wants to kill him at the end is asking for that thing where you
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Right,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:look at.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:but he found it first. Right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That was he, he,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:one guy had brought it back from wherever, Kansas City, and then he's trying to get his$50, so he sells it to Jed. Jed discovers that it has a knife and then he asks for? the thing to, to have curly look through it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:No, he, he, he asked for it way before he discovers it like way before.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay. I don't remember that. I just remember thinking like, how's that supposed to work? He's looking through it and the knife folds out like this. So how is that even gonna do anything for you, dude?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:How's that gonna stab him in the eye or anything? Yeah, I, I thought that too. I, I missed it the first time that I watched the mo the, when I watched the musical version, I missed it. When I watched the movie. I was like, how would he even know what that is? I. He's a dumb country pumpkin. Like how would he know what that is? He wouldn't, and then I thought about the knife going off the side. Okay, cool. I guess
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Uh, but yeah, like I said, I had to force myself to go back to it. I was literally trying almost anything to not have to finish it.'cause I was like, this sucks. Like the music I don't really like very much. Uh, the opening Oklahoma song is pretty good, and there's a reason it's so famous. Why is this play so famous? I don't get that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I don't either. that I've really seen it, I don't either. Other than it's just
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I've,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:old.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I've heard people call it their favorite musical, their favorite play
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I have two freaking crazy.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:You like. Aside from the pacing just being bad, like I specifically wanna call out her acid trip and how weird and out of place it was,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. It is so much worse, like, so much worse than the movie version. That's an area where the play version is vastly superior. The movie version, it's, it's so much worse. Like it is so bad. The movie version is so, so bad.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:How is that even possible? Because she literally smells her smelling salts, right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Which she smelled earlier. So it's not The, smelling salts. And then things are happening where she's getting attacked and you're like, what the freak is going on right now? And then she wakes up and you're like, I guess that was an acid trip, because they did a color change. And then Jed walks up and is a nice guy, and you're like, what the freaking,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:the movie
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:what the crap?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:She smells the smelling salts and then like everything gets hazy and like she's having some kind of trip and she runs into another version of herself, which is another actress that looks. Blonde, but that's about it. Who's supposed to be her? And then we watch her dance and where we're supposed to pretend that she is the one dancing the entire time and it gets into some Alice and Wonderland weird ass shit. the dancing like isn't good. It's weird as hell. They're like doing the chicken dance and I don't know, it's terrible. Like it is terrible. Um, and then it's over And you think. How, how, how did someone invent this? How did this happen? And it's not like, I think some of the dancing in the theater version actually pretty good dancing, even though I don't like the scene. I think some of the dancing is pretty good. None of the dancing is good in the movie version. It is all bad and it's all like weird. It's weird, it's bad, but it was by far my least favorite part of the movie version.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But it at least communicated effectively that. she was having an acid drip and it wasn't real.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I kind of got that she was having as to trip with the theater version too, to be honest. But that's me because I, she's even thinking, thinking about it being a dream and the color scheme changes and you have the, the wind that's moving and all that kind of stuff.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah, but it's, it's not good. I'm not gonna say it's good, but the movie version is worse. It is significantly worse. Um, I did like the movie version of the girl significantly better. I found the main girl for the theater version to be really annoying. Some of her high pitched notes were like, aggravating to me. I didn't like it. The other, the other girl's better.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I think in terms of performances, right? Like I The weak link is Hugh Jackman on stage. I think everybody else varies from like, oh, pretty good. You know, to like really good for the type of stage that they're on, right? Like it's, it's off off Broadway. It's not Broadway, it's not off Broadway. It's off off Broadway in my mind. So like since they're on that kind of stage, they do a pretty good job for what that is, you know?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I agree.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Um, and I think like the girl Annie, even though I hate her character, I think the performer does a great job.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:She's by far the best performer or
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:by far.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. I think it's her. And then it's tied between Auntie and Jed. Actually. I think they both do a, a really good job for, for the type of stage that they're on. Um.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I agree. I actually, I like, um, the guy who comes from Oklahoma City, maybe a little bit better,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:He is right. He's right there too. I'd put him right in that kind of mix. Rank'em however you want, but like those three are kind of like together. And then you'd have like the main girl and then you'd have everybody else that was on the stage, and then you'd have your Jacqueline.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I would rank Hugh Jackman a little bit lower or not. Hugh Jackman. I would rate the girl, the main girl a little bit lower. Her high notes really did bug me like I, I didn't like it,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Right, but. like she's in the conversation with the Pedler. Did she really do that much worse than the Pedler? I don't think so.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I do.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Uh, I, I don't think so at all, but.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That's just me.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But he also got a lot less singing and dancing time. He was a lot of a talking character and was just on stage less so.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:that's true. But Oklahoma don't recommend it. Anyone? it's not, it's not good. It's not worth your time. Don't understand why it's so popular. It is a musical that feels old and should die.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:It is a musical that is just bad and should have never been famous. I do not see a timeframe where this should have been successful. Genuinely. Like it is just bad, plain and simple. No If Sands or bots about it. I get the Oklahoma song being as famous as it is. I get some people saying like, oh, hey, I like this song or that song.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But this should have never been popular. This should have never become famous as like a thing.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:it shouldn't have popped off.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Right? Me, as someone who's new to musicals should not have been hearing about this musical since I was like eight.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I, yeah, you hear about Oklahoma. There's one that you definitely hear about.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. It's like Oklahoma. Those are like the two biggest wicked right now, and like since then, Hamilton
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah. Yeah. Like fan of the opera I would put up there,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Phantom. Sure. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:up. It's up in these, these conversations, which is crazy.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah. But like really, truly, honestly, I hate this, I hate that I'm about to say this. I would rather watch the movie version of. Les Mis then watch Oklahoma ever again.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Me too. Easily, easily,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I hate the movie version. I hate it so much.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I don't hate it.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Um, I think it's okay. To me it's okay. There's parts of it that I like, there's parts of that. I don't, it's okay.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Eddie Red, Maine. His friend and the girl that he friend zones are the only good things in that, in the movie version, everybody else was only hired because of their name. All their performances sucked and the Santa thing was just unnecessary and garbage. I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Um, I agree with theanine. Most of them do a bad job. I don't think they do an atrocious job, but they do a bad job. You're also missing Hugh Jackman's daughter and it, she's good.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:She does a pretty good. job. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But she is like in the conversation where I could see that she got it because of her name,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Yeah, I could too.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:but it's also pretty good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:It is pretty good. And as much as I don't like Mama Mia, like I really don't like Mama Mia. She is a good singer. Like I,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:she's a good singer.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:she is. So is Anne Hathaway. But Her performance is still terrible,
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Her performance is terrible.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:right? And yes, there's the sideways video that explains it, but that doesn't write it off for me. I don't give it points back because the conditions were so terrible.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:That's still just bad.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:it was still just bad. And I. think an actual Broadway performer, even given those conditions, would still do a far better job. Far better. So yeah, I hate late miss the movie. It's terrible. It's like a three out of 10 for me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Oh, I
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:It is, it is in the range of like. I think that's decent, but I don't wanna watch it. But if you wanted me to watch it with you, like if you were like, all I wanna watch is Les Mis, I'd be like, okay, sure. That's,
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:But why not watch a better version?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Uh, I would suggest that. But if you're like, I just really wanna watch the movie version, I wouldn't be like, nah. I'd be like, eh, sure. It's, it's
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:I can watch it.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:I would. Almost agree with you. Like I would be slightly below that if it wasn't for the Santa scene.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:The that much.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:Yeah, like it's complete garbage. It's unnecessary. It comes out of nowhere. It Doesn't fit the tone of the movie, it doesn't fit the tone of the play. It is a director who's clearly screwed up in the mind and thought this will be funny. No, it's not funny. That is disgusting. It's awful. You already have real adult themes and things to talk about with this play. Why are you adding porn?
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Doesn't really make a lot of sense to it.
josh-dietrich_1_04-09-2025_121821:No, it's like I truly, truly like that. That is the biggest negative in the movie for me. Like I could get through everything else genuinely. If I was sitting on your couch and you were like, man, I just really wanna watch this movie. I'd be like, okay, but they added that scene. And so if that, because of that scene, if you, same situation, I'm sitting on your couch and you're like, man, I just really wanna watch this. I'll be like, okay, if you do that, I'm gonna leave.
konlin-gappmayer_1_04-09-2025_161818:Okay. Okay. Okay. enough, man. Fair, fair enough. All right guys, I think that that is our episode. We appreciate you watching. Are there any other really famous people that are on Broadway that are fantastic? I would actually, I would love to know. I will watch whatever you guys recommend with that. Um, I've heard a few others that are supposed to be really good. checked'em out yet, but I'm going to. Anyway, we appreciate you guys watching, like, subscribe, all that good stuff. See ya. Bye.
