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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Shutter Island
Shutter Island
The Founder, The Amateur, Amblin, Shutter Island
00:00 - Amblin
07:03 - The Founder
25:10 - The Amateur
32:59 - Shutter Island
Hey guys, it is onscreen offscreen back within our episode this week. Uh, we are all about trying to find that content that really elevates your life, inspires you to do something great, that's what we're looking for. Um, I'm gonna start and I'm gonna talk about Amlin, amberly ly. I can sound all right. This is one of Spielberg's earliest movies, and I was really curious about seeing original Spielberg stuff, and this is what his studio is named after. It's this movie. They basically had zero budget, so they just didn't do talking. In this movie, everything is silent, it is about a boy and a girl who are trying to hitchhike somewhere. You don't even know where they're trying to get to, and while they're on the road. They connect and they basically just go on this date and she's wild and free and he's careful and planned and they get to know each other and they get connected, and he's kind of reserved because she's leaving and he's, and she's kind of free spirited and just wants to get on, get going. She wants him to go with hi, go with her and leave. He doesn't necessarily want that. It's a pretty good little film. But it's only a pretty good little film, I don't know why Spielberg has so much attachment to it that he decided to name his studio after this movie. had, he had a movie before this. He had a movie after it. Both of them were bigger hits than this one. you can't even really buy or see this movie anymore. I had to find it illegally online to be able to see it because you can't get it anywhere else. And so, so why did he decide to. Why does he have so much passion for it? I don't really know how low of a budget he had and what he had to work with. It is remarkable. Like you, you really do connect with these characters who you don't hear a word from. You want them to get wherever they're going. You don't want them to get kidnapped or be lost. There's a part where the guy is peeing in the trees and the girl's like, come on, I got somebody. Somebody's gonna drive us. Come on. And it's really funny, even though it's so simple and so. Quaint. I don't really have a ton to say about this little film, I, it, it, it's nothing great. And I don't know why Spielberg is so attached to it. If anyone who's watching does know, would be super interested'cause I looked and I couldn't figure it out.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It was probably his first like individual project.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:No, he did an individual project before this.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:No, he did a project before it, but like was it truly his own?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:It's supposed to be
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Right? There are publishers, producers, financeers actors. Right? There's a lot of people that, that he has to deal with. He, he's not the Spielberg name yet. To have the kind of trust that goes along with that.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Spielberg. Um. He, he has kind of cool starting story. He literally figured out ways to sneak on set he tried to get into theater school over and over again, and they wouldn't let him onto theater school. or into film school. He's trying to get into film school and they literally denied him over and over again. So he just wanted to be by movies. So he sneaks onto the Wonder butter set over and over and over again, and connects with a major producer that was there and starts learning from him the producer. Says, you know what, kid? You got a lot of ambition. You need to create a project that I can show to the heads of, of Warner Brothers, the people who actually make decisions. So Spielberg, it's not this movie, it's a different movie that I want to see, I haven't seen it yet. Um, puts together a film. He does it completely by himself. He makes everything work together by himself. Weeks go past. He makes this film and then he shows it to the producer that he is gotten connections with by sneaking onto the set over and over and over again. The producer is blown away by this film, so he goes up to the higher, higher end people at Warner Brothers shows them this film bets everything on this kid, and Spielberg becomes the youngest director in film history. And it's all because he decided to make this film and he decided to take a chance and decided to not let anything stop him. He didn't let the fences get in his way. He didn't let anything get in his way. He just went with it and he believed himself and he created something good. I can't remember what that movie's called. That movie should be what your studio is called. That movie is the reason
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Um, but it was given to him by that producer. that producer financed it. That producer gave him that opportunity. That producer gave, like
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Uh,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:invested in him and
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:is the one where he paid for everything.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:That's what I'm saying. It's that's the first one where he didn't have to live. Right. Like whatever that film was. I'm sure he had to deal with writers. I'm still sure he had to deal with, you know, producers, uh, people investing in the film. I'm sure Amlin is. the first one where he was like, this is all mine.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:It's
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I'm financing it myself. I I don't have to rely on anybody else to give me this chance. It's all mine.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:that I have the chance with that other movie. But he proved that he had the ability to create this movie with Oh, okay. I think that you might actually be right.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I don't really know. I have no idea. I've never heard of any of whatever this film is. I have no idea what his history is. I'm just hypothesizing that, that that's why this movie might have more meaning to him personally.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:no, it looks like, it looks like you're probably right on that. Is that it was the first one that he did just completely on his own.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. His idea, his writing, his direction, He he produced it. He financed it. That's my guess.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:himself. Yeah, that's what it looks like. That makes more sense. It isn't one I'd necessarily recommend to anybody, but I wanted to know more about him. I mean, he's so famous. I wanna watch some of his other movies, some of his old ones.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:That's fair. I will not watch that one, but I'm glad you did and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I enjoyed it enough. I'm gonna watch more of his stuff and hopefully I'll have some good recommendations for you guys of things that aren't like Schindler's List or Jurassic Park that everybody just knows. Anyway, that was a short little topic for me. Josh, what is your first one?
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh, I watched the founder, uh, I don't really have a lot to say about this movie. It was fine. I think the clips I saw from this movie are what make the entire movie and everything else is pretty much not worth it. Uh, it's. Feels like another reason not to support McDonald's as a company.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh, I don't really root for anyone. Like they all seem to suck and I would've enjoyed a more in depth movie about the original founders, the bro, the two brothers, right?'cause they briefly mentioned like we decided to cut McDonald's in half to get it under a bridge. Right. I would rather have seen that. than watched this forceful takeover of a company. For the name of the company
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Not just for the name of the company, it's for the
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:it is.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:of fast food making
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:They directly ask that question. They say, Hey man, you saw us do it. We were open and honest with you. Why didn't you steal? Steal the idea? Why did you take this from us? And he's like, for the name.'cause McDonald's feels like a place you can bring your whole family because McDonald's. has this branding and Because McDonald's has the golden arches, it's literally what he says.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Because it just has that Bar
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:cause it has the name.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:instead of creating the restaurant.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. I had high hopes for this movie. I had seen lots of clips from this movie. particularly when he like shows up to the restaurant for the first time.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:That was the most enjoyable part of the movie.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Oh.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Everything else kind of was, man, I
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I enjoyed the
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:care.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:the corporate takeover. The idea of like becoming the landlords for the restaurant. So they own all of this different land, I thought was a really like evil, but very interesting idea.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:But I already knew that.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I didn't know that, which
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I thought was, I thought that was cool.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Oh yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:interesting idea. Um, liked. I thought all the acting in it was really good. The way that it progresses with the takeover was interesting. I thought the, um, the brothers being so strict and him trying to get the more, the profitability up and that ice cream where you mix in the dry milk. I thought that whole thing was really interesting. Really, the only part of the movie I don't like is the part where he finds the one guy's wife really attractive. So he starts flirting with her and we're watching that. I don't care. I don't want to see that. I, you could have just shown that he saw that she was attractive and then eventually he gets the girl. And just because that's what happens in real life. Um, I thought the deal at the very end where they don't sign and they just take the million dollars, but they don't get the percentage and how much they would've gotten if they asked for that percentage was really interesting. I, I thought the whole movie full of fascinating pa uh, parts
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I, I don't, um, it's, if you wanna watch that kind of more legal. Takeover stuff. Watch the social network. It's so much better. It's so much more interesting. And you actually feel empathy for characters?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Do you not feel empathy for the older brother?
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:No.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:not. You really? Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:No. They both suck. Both the brothers suck. They're both jerks. Uh, they're both controlling. They're, they're not good people.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:one brother is, I don't feel like the older brother is the one who plays, uh, who's in the office.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Who has the heart attack,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah. Yeah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:he's the reason that he is doing this. The brother that you actually are talking about that you don't like is the one who's saying, I don't wanna do this. And the older brother comes to him and he's like, I'm doing this for you.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:The younger brother's like, I didn't ask for this. I don't want this. And he's like, but I'm doing it for you.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:So it feels actually selfish.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It is selfish. He's selfish. and the older brother's controlling and like a freak. And yeah, he's a genius in. In terms of logistics for sure,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Oh,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I would've just way rather focused on the brothers, figuring out that logistical stuff that feel like what I feel like is a very well known story already.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:but I felt like they. explain the logistical stuff and actually really well, one of my favorite parts is when they're drawing the, the setup with the chalk. I thought that was awesome. And they're
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:they actually got like a full team and
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:through how it's going to work with
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Really cool.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:more of that. That's what I'm saying. More of that.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Oh, I was fine with how much they gave us, but I, I really, I thought the pacing of this movie was really good. just, I think this movie's really good.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I think the pacing is all over the place and they can't figure out what tone to to do it in and like
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Their tone is
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:they skip so many details and yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:like they give enough details that you understand the process, you understand the story, you understand what's going on.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:What about his wife?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:was so, what about the wife?
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Exactly. They, they make it a, my point is they make the his wife? a main point and then they just kind of skip over it and he's with the other girl.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:He divorces her. He says, I want a divorce, and then he gets a divorce from her.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:There's no like building up to that. It is, we're establishing that this is important and then I want a divorce and they're moving on.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:There absolutely is buildup for that. He like distanced himself more and more and more from. Her until, he's working more and more and he is listening to her less and less, and she wants to be part of this business, but he just kind of ignores her and pushes her away until he finally sees a girl who wants more than he wants his wife, who he thinks is going to be able to keep up with his business goals or whatever it is that he has. And so he decides he's gonna steal that person's wife and just leave his wife. Like there's absolutely a buildup for that.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I don't think that there's enough of a buildup for it, and there is not for sure not enough buildup for the girl That he actually ends up with because aside from that one scene, there is nothing else.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:That one I agree with you on.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh, there's not enough emphasis on any of the other side characters, uh,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:and who he brings into it. That one I can kind of forgive because. their side characters and they're more supporting the role. But
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:part.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:one that, particularly the one who actually has the girl at the beginning should have played a bigger role, uh, like, and I feel like most of the corporate takeover just feels evil.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:It absolutely is evil and uh, I, I think the grill that he ate does he ends up with, they should have shown some more. I agree with that one because. In the movie, I would just take it as this is a gold digging tramp who just saw somebody who was worth a lot more than her husband and decided to go for that person. And maybe that is what she is from the movie. That's what I would guess. Maybe she was a way better person than that. I have no idea. And that's the one character where I'm like, I, I'm left with no in inclination of. Main character. I'm left with no inclination of who you are, what you think, anything at all. Like the main guy, I have some understanding of him. I have some understanding of the brothers. I have some understanding of the wife. I have some understanding of some of a lot of these characters. But the new girl, I don't at all. I don't know anything about her.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. Uh. Uh, it's a fine movie, I guess. Like there are good parts to it, but like I said, I, I would way much rather follow the brothers and they're establishing and figuring out and getting to the point where this guy shows up. I think that's more interesting to me because like I said, I kind of already knew that the guy bought the land in order to take over the thing. Uh, that's it. Fairly common story that's thrown around and, uh,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I didn't know
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:common business practice, like Disney has tried to take it over and using their theme parks and wanting to own the ground. They stole it from him. It's.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I, I, know that's a common business practice now, but I didn't know about it being basic, basically invented for taking over McDonald's. I didn't know that aspect of the story, which I thought was really cool. Like they're the ones who invented kind of this evil practice. And how it came to about, it'd be about
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I don't think it's innately an evil practice. I just think he's an evil person.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I don't think it's evil to buy the land. To own the land. Like I don't think that that's an evil concept,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:the way that he did it was
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:but the way he did it was evil and negative. I also think they didn't do anything in the first half of the movie to establish his greed. Um, right. I think it would've been a much more balanced movie if you gave. Like, oh, he's in a ha unhappy marriage. Oh, he's a little bit greedy of a person and you know, something's not enough. But he basically goes from, I'm trying to provide for my wife and family to, I'm an evil scumbag. And it's like overnight,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I felt like there was a progression. I didn't have a problem with that either.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:oh, there was no progression at all.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:and I am just
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:He has money.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:He's not doing super well. No.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:They can't afford the club. There's the conversation where the wife's like, we have enough. You can spend more time With it.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:With
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:be home more.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:was an establishment of his character.'cause for him, he doesn't feel like he has that much money. Yes, he has normal person. He's doing fine, but he doesn't feel like he has the big business money that he wants to and is his head, he is worth.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Right? But that's the halfway mark. No,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:they were doing that at the very beginning.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:No,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:at the very beginning, he's just out working. He sells, he is trying to make sales. he goes and travels to California to meet these people. They don't establish him having greed
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:more, and literally his wife is like, oh, you're switching to another thing. It's not enough for you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Halfway through the movie,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:There's no way. That's halfway through the
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:it is halfway through the movie.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:That's halfway through the, that's gotta
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yes.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:through the movie.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It's halfway through the movie.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:at the most.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It's halfway through the movie, guarantee it.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:The first half of the movie is literally him just, he briefly tries to make some sales. He finds out that this company wants six of his ice cream makers that he can't sell. He drives out there to investigate. He then goes to Arizona. He keeps lying to his wife, and saying, I'm just doing a couple of things here. More like white lies, I guess They're not outright.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:he's like, this is gonna be big. This is what I want. This is gonna be big.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. And then he continues to work on that and he could, at that point, still feels like he's trying to provide
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:for.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:is just trying to do something bigger for himself.'cause he is supposed to do something like he a big ego and he is not hitting that ego. Mark.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Oh, it to me feels like he's just like, he sees this as his ticket to provide for his, his wife and build a life. Right. He's, he's just trying to work to work hard because that's what you gotta do. You gotta provide. Right. And then about halfway through the movie happens and he, his wife's like. You've gotta cool it. We have enough. We have friends. You don't need to cut things off with your friends because you didn't sell them properly on what they were buying, and I want this life. And then he is an evil person after that conversation.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I took it from the entire movie that he wanted to be so much bigger and fit into different groups than he does and have people praise him, literally like the whole time.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh, the first, the, the first part of the movie, he's literally just trying to make some sales, and then he is like, oh, these people want six of these machines. I wonder why. Let me investigate that. Oh, they have a cool idea. How about you do this? And they're like, no. And he goes, okay, that sucks. And then he is like, no, I'm not taking no for an answer. Perseverance.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Right. The first half of the movie is a guy I can root for. The second half of the movie is a guy who's disgustingly terrible
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:anything.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:and a guy I can't.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:for you.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay. I didn't think like that. I thought
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:of a power trip most of the
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:no.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Or
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I was.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:not a power trip, like a ego for needing to be something bigger.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I don't think so at all. Like I'm gonna make this comparison. We can cut it if you want to.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:How are you with your job
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:wanting something bigger. Absolutely.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:to provide for the family That you want to build, to have the comfort that you want to have?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:that and like, I wanna be able to take care of my kids. I wanna be able to send'em private school, blah, blah, blah. But there's also an ego aspect. There is, and I think of like, I do wanna be in a bigger position or whatever. I. Um, because there is a status and prestige to that and know that isn't my only reason for wanting to build a business and all of these different things. It's not, if I said it wasn't a reason, I would be lying.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Okay. but they don't establish it is my point.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:The first half of the movie, he is a character that is like you. He's a guy who's making sales. He's not really happy in his job, and he sees an opportunity for something more. That is not innately bad or evil, and I don't think it's a wrong thing, just like I don't think it's wrong for you to want to build a business or want to rise higher in your company and have more prestige. But then he has this conversation with his wife and it flips overnight to, I am going to take everything from these people. Right? Those are two different things. The first half of the movie, I see somebody. Like you, the second half of the movie, I see somebody nothing like you.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Interesting. You make me wanna rewatch this movie, Josh.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Go ahead.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:we saw it very differently.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I, I honestly think it breaks down to, I kind of knew the McDonald's story already,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:so all of that building and everything, like I was not surprised by it at all. And knew that that's what was happening.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:So it was just watching something that
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It was just watching it. And I was like,
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:quick Wikipedia article from, and it couldn't have taken you five minutes instead of watching it for an hour and 45 or whatever long it is.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:yeah. And like I said, the, the stuff that they touch on with the brother's history, they're the more interesting dynamic characters. They're the better actors. They do the better job. I would've preferred more of them.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Their background.'cause that's stuff I, I'm not as familiar with.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:You think they're the better actors too?
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. They do a better job at their role than Michael Keaton. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Oh, I think my Uncle Keaton is in this movie. really
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:it's Like an average Michael Keaton performance.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Like yeah, he's a good. actor, but like I saw Michael Keaton there. Even though Ron Swanson was in this movie, I didn't see Ron Swanson, and that's more impressive to me.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:He's a super underrated actor. He is really good.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:He's really good. Quite a few things that I've seen him and he is just, he's a good actor.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. And Michael Keaton can do more. Him as the Vulture was fantastic. That was a great performance.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Fantastic.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:But him and this, it was just Michael Keaton.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Oh, I thought it was more than just Michael Keaton. Like I thought he did a great job, but I think he's a fantastic actor. Fantastic.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:he's pretty good. But yeah, I, I'm fine that I watched this movie once. I. don't love this movie.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Fair enough. Okay. With that, let's go to my other topic before our shared topic, the amateur, I did go and watch this movie and it's an extremely enjoyable movie that you have to suspend a whole of, a lot of disbelief to just have a good time with. Um, he is the main guy. His wife gets murdered. In one of the London trams, she's trying to save somebody and they kill him. he goes on this elaborate ruse to be able to take out all the people that were involved in killing his wife. And he's a tech expert, so he hacks into different things and he uses physics and he uses chemistry multiple different aspects to try to hunt down all of these different people. And one, you have to believe that he's a master of physics, chemistry, hacking, like super genius of all super geniuses. You have to believe this guy is that you also have to believe that he would even have access to some of the things that he does. Like he could hack some of the things that he hacks, like he could do some of the things with physics that he does and. In all honesty, I don't believe that. I think this movie would've been better if you would've added a little bit of Old James Bond flare to it. So it felt like you were in a little bit of an exaggerated world. But they make the movie feel like this is really grounded. This could really happen. There's no, no sort of, um, old timey charm to the movie. It would've been better that way. The acting is good, the line writing is quite good. Um, the atmosphere and the attention is, is gripping. really want him to be able to take out all these people. The way he takes out people is really cool. You just have to believe that he can do the stuff that the movie says that he can do. And there's times where even when it is really cool. are probably simpler ways he could have accomplished what he accomplished without, like, there's a part where it's in the, it's in the trailer where he takes a sky pool and he shatters the entire sky pool so the guy falls to the ground and he dies. You could have, I mean, if you can make the sky pool explode like that, you could probably short circuit something and shock him. Or hack a drone and shoot him, or countless other things, but they destroyed an entire sky pool with something that I think would probably be bullshit. Um, and you just kind of have to believe
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Why do you think it is?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:bullshit.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:cause I don't know a system because basically he. There it, it's insulated. The glass is insulated and you have an air pocket in the middle, and he over fills that air pocket so that the structural integrity of the pool collapses in on itself. I haven't looked into it. I don't really think that that would work. I don't think there's any way you would make that work.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:He uses frequency, audible frequency. It's in the trailer.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah. Uses audible frequency and he expands the, the
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:the glass frames.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yep. That's how things work.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I, does he have access to the equipment to be able to even do this,
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:You have access to the equipment to do it?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:to shatter something that thick? I don't think so.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah, you do.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I think
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:you can probably buy it on Amazon.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:There's. But he doesn't even access access to that. Like he's running from the government and he can't buy anything. He doesn't have anyone to help him.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I, I can't speak to whether or not he would have access to it.'cause I have not seen the movie. I don't know what's fully going on. I have seen the trailer though.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:that's a real thing. You, could do that with glass and there are numerous ways to do it.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:to
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Even double paned glass like you have with a pool like that, or like you have on your windshield, on your car.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:you would have to have to be able to do that, because I would think it would need to be fairly extreme.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Uh, MythBusters did it with household items on a windshield.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay. That's cool.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:more realistic than I thought.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah, I don't know about the rest. I'm just speaking towards that one thing.'cause that was in the trailer and I was like, yeah, that's a real thing. And you come out of it like, that's so unbelievable. That would never happen. So
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah, I
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:it makes me curious.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:didn't believe it. Um, there's a cool part where they have chickens and the chickens are like the alarm system um, the government comes and hunts him down. I really love that part of the movie. I think it's really cool the. There's one death at a, uh, like a, a nightclub that I think is really well done. The, there's another one that's kind of cool, I don't really believe it, but it's kind of cool where she's in a hyperbolic chamber he fills that hyperbolic chamber with something that she's allergic to. It's kind of a cool thing where, where he got the pollen to be able to do that. I don't really know, but of a cool kill. The other problem with the movie is the ending. He purposely like gets kidnapped and he just assumes that the main bad guy's not gonna shoot him in the face or kill him after he is been hunted for so long and it's like, ah, come on, he, he would probably kill you. I don't know. Not a terrible movie enjoyable enough. I really did enjoy it, but you just have to suspend your disbelief quite a bit for me. That he could do any of the stuff that he actually does
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:more. or less than the RevNet.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:more.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah, for me, more.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Okay, well, we'll find out in like June or July for me when I finally get to see it. It's not even in theaters here anymore. Mm-hmm.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah. Uh, give it a shot. It's, it's enjoyable enough. That's what I would say. It's enjoyable enough, like 6.8, something like that. Not a terrible movie, not one
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:It's right up my alley though.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I love the jackal. I love The Bourne series. This seems like another one of it with a good actor. I don't remember who it is, but.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:good job, like believe him to be this nerdy guy the entire time. He does a really good job with the nerdy ticks and behaviors without coming across as silly. It's very believable. I.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm excited to see it still. I, I just enjoy those kinds of movies. I think it's gonna be right up my alley.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:I think you'll have enjoyable enough time. With that, let's go to our final topic, which of all the topics this week, this is the one I'm most interested in, what you think about it in particular.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I'm most interested in what you think about it as well.
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:Okay.
josh-dietrich_4_05-07-2025_150551:I know you've said a few things about it, but I, I want you to go first. I want you to, the topic is Shutter Island have brief. Brief touch on it. Just what do you think?
konlin-gappmayer_4_05-07-2025_190554:So brief touch. The first two times I watched this movie, I got incredibly bored and I didn't finish the movie, which I don't normally do, but I was bored outta my mind and I was like, what is going on? This is stupid. I don't enjoy it at all.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Third time I watched it. I honestly had a really good time and I thought the twist at the end very cool. Um, but yeah, it took me three times to actually get through this movie
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Yeah, interesting. Why did it take you three times to get through this movie?
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:'cause I was just so bored. I was so, so bored. I feel like the pacing is kind of slow on the movie to be completely honest. Um, and it doesn't feel like slow burn. It feels like it's just kind of slow. So I, I struggled with it the first, first two times.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Interesting. When was the third time you watched it? Was it for this or was it previously?
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:was previously like 2021 ish, right around there.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:I haven't watched it since then.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:What did you think?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Very interesting. Uh, going into this movie, I thought it was a horror film
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Okay.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:and I knew it had a little cult following to it, and I didn't really understand that.'cause I've never really. Encountered a horror film with the kind of following that this movie has. Um, kind of unique in that way. So I've been curious about this movie for a very long time. Not enough to ever actually watch it, but finally did. And this is one I put off to be clear. This is the one I watched last night. Because I was like, I'm just not sure about this weird horror movie with Leo DiCaprio. Like, it just seems a little bit off. So I'm, I'm just, all this to say my expectations were very low.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Okay,
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Right? Because outside of this like cult following, nobody really like talks too much about this movie.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:now it's very much a specific group
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:movie.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Uh, I was able to get through all, all of it in one shot. I did not find any part of it pouring. I did not find any part of it to have pacing issues. Uh, I felt like every scene was purposeful towards the. Predicted or the twist at the end? Um, I was able to pick up on the twist before the end, even though I was wrong about a couple of details about it.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Like what?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Uh, so I thought he killed the wife and kids.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Okay.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Uh, I thought he killed her in a fire, fled to the forest, and then drowned the kids and then blamed the wife on it in his mind. Um, but I was able to pick up on enough, uh, specifically the moment when the other inmate is drinking the glass of water is when I first caught onto, he's, um, a patient.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:You caught onto it faster than I did the first time I actually watched the whole thing.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Okay. Yeah, it was right then. I was like, okay, he's a patient. Uh, my first inclination I predicted that, uh, sorry, what's the actor's name? Plays the Hulk, um,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:What is his name?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:cast, actually show me the dang cast. Mark Ruffo. I actually thought he was the inmate. Because, yeah, because when he handed over the gun, he was the one that was fumbling with it. So I was like, okay, he's probably the one that this is a, that is the inmate not knowing how to handle a gun. The fact that he handed over the whole Holster holster, that was my first little inclination that I was like, okay, something's off here. Somebody's not telling the truth. Um, and then it, when they were at the table and he, she goes to drink some water, but then briefly you see her hands without the glass and then the glass down without water. That's when I was like, okay, it's actually Leo. He's the crazy one. Uh, I thought all of the actors did a phenomenal job in this. I think the story
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:very good.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:is great. Uh. Had I not gone onto YouTube to make sure that my theory of him having killed both the wife and kids, um, that's where unanimously it's pretty cut and dry, that he only killed the wife. And that's what everybody kind of accepts to be the truth. Had I not done that, I would've been very eager to jump into a second watch to really pick up on all the details and try and find all the clues. Um, that also, right, like. Leans into why I feel like every piece of this, each scene is a piece to the puzzle and it's a brilliantly woven together puzzle. And I was entertained the whole time through. I was creeped out, I was curious. I was trying to figure it out. None of it was slow paced or boring to me.'cause even the parts that were slow. They were amplified by a storm or a crazy lady going sh or him lighting a candle, and I was half expecting the guy to be like at the bars. The third time he lit the match and kind of jumped scare you that he had kind of gotten up and jumped over there so fast and quiet, and then he's giving him the pieces and he's telling them like you. Beat me up and he is like, no, I didn't. The place did. And the guy's like, no, you did. And calls him by his name and absolutely brilliant. And then the ending is so haunting like. Such a brilliantly shot scene with both Mark Ruffalo and Leo DiCaprio giving phenomenal performances. And you see, uh, he failed at the experiment in Mark Ruff low's like little nod. That was excellent. And then you see him question it as Leo delivers his line, which he does perfectly, and you're left with this. Did it work? Didn't it work? Probably did. Was the storm even real kind of questions and, uh, I, I genuinely really enjoyed this movie. It absolutely does deserve the respect that it gets.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:I
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Uh, I know Leo was nominated for an Oscar for this one. I, I don't have any problems with it. He should have gotten it on this one. I don't know what he was up against, but how could you, how could you not? With the performance he gave. It was so good. Everyone is so good in this. The music was so good in this. Um, I learned in my YouTube little research about the movie that not a single piece of score was written for this movie.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:What do you mean?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Like, uh, the director took existing music and put it in, in a twisted way or in a normal way to communicate to the audience when is when he's hallucinating and when he's not.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's pretty cool.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:There's the themes of fire and water and when those symbolize hallucinations too, and. Just tons and tons of good stuff in this one. Like this is not my normal kind of movie that I would be really into. And even still, I'm not like, I love this movie. This is fantastic. But I, I was very pleasantly surprised with this and like I can say it, say, I understand the following of this movie. Like it deserves all of the acclaim that it has gotten because. They nailed it. There's nothing in it that I'm like, that doesn't make sense. How did that not work? Or, I'm too mad about the questions that they didn't leave answered. Right.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:feels like a satisfying, good thriller.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:they gave you enough to it. All of the pieces make sense. It was, it was really good. It was really, really good.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:It's cool. I really like it too. Once I got through it, it's still one that I, uh, because I do feel like it's a little bit slower that I don't really find myself wanting to rewatch, but I don't think, I still think it's a good movie. I, I get what people like it.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:I don't know how often I will rewatch it because I was able to go onto YouTube and have those extra answer questions answered as well as given me even more to know about the movie. So
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:think you would've enjoyed just going through the movie again and finding the answers for yourself versus going on YouTube? No. Okay.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:'cause there's enough that I got from YouTube that I did not pick up on and probably wouldn't pick up on. Uh, it specifically the fire and water and the, the themes that it contains. Like you have a Leo in the cave with the fire
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:and we are told that that's a hallucination because Leo is not being warmed by the fire. He is still shivering throughout it.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's cool.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:I would've never picked up on that
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:had I not had a few YouTube videos. Pick that. Out and talk about that and how that applies to the same thing when he's using the matches because he's controlling the fire and how that makes the conversation with him real. But there is no match lit when he is having the hallucination with the wife in the cell and how that shows that it's not real and it's.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:cool.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:I would've never picked up on that kind of stuff. There's a few things I would've picked up on. I would've understood a little bit more of the interactions between two people, um, and the way that they treat Leo. Um, there's a scene where I missed it in the watch, but you can, uh, it's in the YouTube video. The actors clearly are shown. Don't look at him directly or he'll notice. A couple of background characters say that when Leo is talking to the Dr. Guy and you're, I was like, I, I would've never caught up on that. I would've caught like what the sh was about. I would've caught the, like the, a couple of the little flashes of things. I would've understood the hallucinations a little bit more. I, I would've understand the role playing aspect a little bit more. Um. All those kinds of things. Like of the stuff I learned from the YouTube video, I bet I would've picked up on about half of it and still, sorry. I still would've understood more what the actual story was and what was actual real history. Um, but I don't think I would've caught so much about those themes and. How they apply and telling the what is real and what is a hallucination kind of thing.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:I wouldn't have either. That's cool. That's very cool. what did you rate it?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Oh, I'm reading this one's like a seven and a half out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Okay.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:'cause it's not one that I'm eagerly going to be rewatching. It is one that's more on the lines of like, if somebody wants to rewatch it, I would be down. I'd be like, yeah, that. Shutter Island's good. I like Shutter Island. Um, I go a little bit more than the seven, simply because it's still one that even though I'm not rewatching, I'm gonna remember that ending all of the time, and it's gonna be one that I will probably talk about more than I actually watch, which is a pretty cool thing.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That, uh, literally your reason for a 7.5 is exactly my reason for a 7.5, and I thought would be a little bit lower than you considering how, uh, glowing you sounded during this review.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Uh, like it's not wasted. It's just not my thing, right?
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Right. If this was my kind of movie, this would easily be like a nine and a half out of 10 because like I said, no, no scene, no music, nothing is wasted. Everything is purposeful. It fits together so well thought out like, how many movies do we have where they're trying to do this dynamic puzzle? And at the end of it you go, well, that puzzle doesn't really make sense because they said this and they did that. You know, it doesn't like this one's flawless. I is, it's just I don't really get into this kind of movie. The the big twist at the end is, you know. It's so well telegraphed and it's perfect, but there's so much of it. You, you actually can catch on really early. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:cool twist. It's a cool idea.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:yeah, and it's just, it's done really well. It's just not really my thing. So 7.5'cause I'm not going to super highly rewatch it. So.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Well, guys, I think that's gonna be our episode. Um, if you haven't seen Shutter Island, we just spoiled the crap out of it, and you're not gonna enjoy it nearly as much, but still give it a shot. Enjoy it. It's still a good movie.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:If you haven't watched it by this point, I don't feel bad at all. When did it come out? Like 2008,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Yeah. But I feel like there's a
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:2 20 10.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:2010. There's a lot of movies like that where people just kind of like do what we both did. I did that with this movie too, where I'm like, I've heard this is really good. I should watch it.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Okay, but spoiler warning is only for movies less than five years old. That's what I say.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:true. That's fair enough. That's fair
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:If you haven't seen it in over five years and it's been out and accessible to you, especially in this day and age with streaming, I don't feel bad about talking about the plot.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:And this, this one pops up on streaming all the time.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:fair enough. Um, the founder, did you like it? Are you with Josh? What did you think? Oh, I was, I was gonna bring this up. The movies that he was going up against, one of them was Jesse Eisenberg from the Social Network. Do you think
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:I would've given it to Leo for this one,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:For
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:like I love the show Social Network. That one's like an 8.5 for me out of 10. I enjoy that movie more. But in terms of actor performance, like best actor.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Not even close. Leo does such a better job. It's amazing.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Leo better in this or in Now you see me?
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Leo's not in. Now. You see me?
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Oh, now, now you, what's the one? What's the one called? Is the con artist.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Catch me if you can.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:Catch me if you can not. Nice catch me if you can.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:This.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:This. Okay.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:Yeah, he is. He is very clearly grown as an actor, like I love Catch Me If You Can. I also think that's a better movie, but again, just actor performance. This one's harder per to like nail to get right. It's harder to do. You're, you're dealing with things like, again, I wanna talk about stuff I learned from YouTube. There are points where like side characters. So they're sitting around in the circle and they're talking about like how the place runs, and they use the doctor's name that Mark Ruffalo plays. The character is visibly looking at him every time she says his name,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's so cool.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:right? Like that's the level of acting we're talking about. And that was a side character,
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:right?
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's cool.
josh-dietrich_5_05-07-2025_154028:that was what was demanded by the director to absolutely nail this movie, and they did. Martin Scorsese is the director. He demanded a lot, and his two main actors absolutely killed it.
konlin-gappmayer_5_05-07-2025_194031:That's cool. Anyway, guys, I kind of already was sorta headed towards the end of this episode. We appreciate you watching, like, subscribe, comment, all that kind of good stuff. We'll be back with episodes next week. We appreciate you all watching. See ya. Bye.
