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Live Action Spider-Man Ranked

Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2

Toby maguire spiderman 1,2, and 3

Spider man LOTUS

Tom Holland 1,2,3


00:00 - Number 9

19:12 - Number 8

34:38 - Number 7

39:55 - Number 6

50:13 - Number 5

55:46 - Number 4

1:02:03 - Number 3

1:12:22 - Number 2

1:14:08 - Number 1



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konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Hey everybody. It is onscreen offscreen. We're back with another episode. We are gonna do something a little unique this week. Um, we were talking about Spider-Man and how much we both love it, so we decided to rank all the live action Spider-Man movies, um, on what are our favorites, all the way down to one. Let's start with you, Josh, with your number nine, which is

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

on my list. Way higher.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

All right. My number nine is the least controversial opinion I think that I ha may have ever had. It is by far the worst live action Spider-Man. That is Andrew Garfield in the amazing Spider-Man two

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I just so you know, guys, I have this as my number four and I debated like, where to put this because I simply don't understand why people hate this movie as much as they do. I don't

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

'cause it's terrible.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It genuinely is terrible.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

than Spider-Man three is insane.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's talk about this then. Okay. If you wanna get into it. Is it a good Peter Parker story? No, because quite honestly, there is no good Andrew Garfield. Good Peter Parker story.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

He's not the best Peter Parker at all. He's,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Spider-Man. He

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

bad. It's not very good. Okay. Uh, is it a good Spiderman story?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No. Is there any unique, like, cool, interesting connection between him and the villain and this one? No. Is the villain good? No. Does the villain look cool? No.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yes,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

writing good?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No. No. There's a reason that they changed his look. It's because everybody said that was stupid. Um, is it comic book accurate? No. Is it. It, it just like, they wanted to try out cool tech, their cool CGI stuff, and they did, and it looked stupid. They completely changed his story and ruined it. Um, it's just not very good. Now the ending fight is the best part about this one. Um, leading towards, um, Emma Stone's death was a very cool, visually impressive piece of artwork. Uh, the fight in the Times Square is a great idea, but was terrible in practice except for the scene where he's saving the people from touching the railing. Like that was a very cool touch that they did to it. Right? There are some positive pieces in this. Um, but overall. It's just dumb. I think the writing sucks. I think the characters suck. I think they're very weak. I think there are times where this looks incredibly stupid and there's way too many negatives about, like, this is outright bad Spider-Man, and I know I'm not the only person who thinks that.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

You're not, I will fully admit that I am way, way in the minority with this one. Um, but I, I don't understand why people hate, hate this movie. I get why I understand people not liking the movie. I don't understand people hating this movie.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

'cause it's not good. And it, it betrays the idea of Spider-Man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

how does it betray the idea of Spotted Man?

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Well, he is supposed to be this, you know, friendly neighborhood. Spider-Man. Is he the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I would say

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No, he's not. He's not at all. Uh, there's stuff he does that are, is just incredibly stupid and doesn't make sense. So, uh, him fighting the rhino in the opening scene where he is literally letting people get hurt and dying because he wants to make some quirky remarks.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

the Rhino scene is the worst part of the movie, and I, when, uh,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

to

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

the,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

part of the

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

the Green Goblin is the worst part of the movie. This is the second worst part of the movie.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Completely disagree. I.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

None of the villain are good. None of'em are interesting. The why the writing is all really, really weak. Like this movie is so bad that the director called it out for being bad. Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield called it out for being bad and the. Aunt May Actress said, the only reason I am doing such a bad piece of work is because I owe the producer a favor.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I know you told me that. I remember you saying that. I disagree. Um, one, I actually like Electro and I like the way that Jamie Lee Fox plays the character. I think he does a pretty good job with it. Um. think Harry has played well. the green goblin is played good enough. I don't think it's great, but it's good enough. It doesn't feel like a super negative to me. It's not a super positive. It's good enough. Um, I think the electro character looks super cool. I think the music that's in this movie is genuinely awesome. Like, I really like the music. The fight scenes are really, are, are great. The chemistry between Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone is fantastic in this movie. Like really good. Um, they have a

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I think you're thinking of the first one.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I am not, I like it better in this one, but that's one of the positives of the first one. Uh, we'll go into why I don't like that movie in a second. But Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield do a good job with the chemistry. There is a lot of will they, won't they in this movie. And I think that there is too much. As much as I don't hate this movie, I do realize that there are flaws. Like they could have edited a lot down and it would've been better. The rhino stuff is completely stupid. Like it's, it's not well done at all. They have too much will. They, won't they? But there's also a lot of good, I really do like the relationship with Andrews Peter and the person who plays Harry. Like, I think they do a good job with that relationship. It's a little different, but it's well done. I like the way that they build up the Green Goblin becoming a villain, and if they would've had a third movie, they've built it up so well that that villain becomes aspect against Peter Parker. He's supposed to be his big nemesis. He's the Joker. Two are Spider-Man

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

He is supposed to be, but he is not in this one like you are grossly overestimating the work that they did with his character and building him up to be that villain.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't think so. I think they did a good job of building it. And when you have Emma Stone die at the very end, that cements this character as your main villain for Mo moving forward. It cements him as the joker for the universe.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Agreed.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

good job of doing that.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

where Emma Stone dies is fantastic. That whole fight is really well done. And when Emma has like cracks against the cement, you feel it, it's a extremely well done scene. You

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Agreed.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it in your bones

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

you, do a good job of having Andrew Garfield play a grieving Peter Parker. And in, uh, in 2000, this is like 2014, you had a, you had the start of the MCU jokes. Already piling in where you have these really deep moments and then somebody just cracks a joke and it cuts off tension. They don't do that in this movie. They let you breathe with the, with the grief it's well done. Um, so you have good music. You have my opinion Electro that is different but isn't a bad electro. It's a cool looking electro

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Bad electro.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

cool stuff. It's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

well. Harry's done pretty well. Green goblin's done pretty well. You have that cool fight at the end, that's done well. You have the, the death that's done well. You have the chemistry that's done well. So you have all of these different aspects that are actually done pretty well and do not deserve at all the hate that this movie gets. Is there ways that they could have edited it and made it better? Absolutely. Was

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yes.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

couldn't.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it? Shoo Whore it in to do sinister Six Absolutely doesn't mean that this is a terrible movie.'cause it's not.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It is a terrible movie. It was rushed. It was a big rush project.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It was a

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It was well thought out. I agree with you that the green goblin killing Emma Stone cements him moving forward. But I disagree with you that they've done a good job building him up to become a green goblin in the first place. Uh, electro looks stupid. It completely is opposite and different than what it should be, pretty much in every sense of the word. Uh, the.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

you say should be, why is it should, like I get that it's different than the comic books and everything else. It is different for sure.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Because even if, if we take it away from Spider-Man and we look at X-Men, right?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

is not Wolverine and Thor is not Thor. Right. Thor is supposed to be really short. Uh, Wolverine's supposed to be wearing yellow and blue, you know, like,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but you still have to pay homage to their origin. The writing that was come from the way that they look, did they honor the origin story of Electro?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

They gave him electric powers and they had him

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

they didn't.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

some,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

They didn't build it up at all in any way, in any of the comics, the way that it's done, right?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

different. It is very different,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It's very, very different. It, it doesn't respect,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

with the powers, it's similar.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

okay, but we're talking about his origin story. So you agree they did not pay homage to his origin story?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's very different for sure.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Did they pay homage to his look

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's very

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

also? No. Very different. They did its own thing. Okay. And did they pay homage to his powers? I would give you, they did an okay job with that, right?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

think they

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

with that.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

they did okay job with that. And then on top of that, they made it look stupid.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Like the blue look just looked stupid. And

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I think

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I'm not the only person who believes that, uh, the CGI was not in the

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

care.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

technology worth what it, what they were trying to do at the time. And there's a reason that they changed him in Spider-Man. No way. Home. And literally everybody was like, isn't that so much better? Like, I get it. You don't have to have that stupid yellow and green outfit. But if you compare it to the same actor playing the same part in no Way Home, which one's the better? Electro. It's the No Way Home. Electro, by far.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That doesn't mean the other one is bad'cause I don't think it is.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It is bad.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

No, the other one's just improved. But this one is not bad.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Improved by going back to what has already been established and doing those things like paying homage to origin and, and look,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It does look better, but it doesn't mean the other one is bad. Like something

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

it does look bad.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

no it doesn't.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It does. It looks bad. Like it is

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

veins underneath it is

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

bad cg. It is bad cg.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I disagree.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You are very much in the minority there, man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Absolutely.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

much in the minority.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Absolutely. I know I looked up so many lists on Reddit and different things of top movies, and this one is the bottom one for most people.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's'cause it's bad, right? Like how do you look at a movie where the actors themselves get fired for calling it bad and say, this is, you know, top tier live action Spider-Man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I put it like in the middle, Yeah. I put it like in the middle uh, like I said, there's still problems with this movie. There are problems with this movie

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay. How many Spider-Man got fired for calling their own work bad?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Probably only this one.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Only this one. And it's an actor that while I personally don't always love, have great respect for, I think we can agree. Andrew Garfield is a pretty freaking good actor.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah. There's times where he shows up and he kills it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Absolutely. Like Hack Ridge is fantastic. We know this guy can act and he comes out and says that this is a bad project. How often do actors talk bad about their own projects? Not in hindsight, in the moment.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Very, very, very rarely.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

And you have that here.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah, I, I disagree with him. I disagree so hard, so hard. I just, I don't get it. I don't get it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I I, I genuinely think it all boils down to it was a rushed project,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

They were trying to get it out early, um, to compete with the MCU and it wasn't a well thought out project. And you have so much of them spending time laying eggs for future projects that they don't have a full, complete story and they kind of just fit the rest in.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

See, that's kinda what I feel about Spider-Man three and I wrote down, um, they spent enough time developing Harry so that unlike Venom in Spider-Man three, he survived, meaning he will come back later on. And that kind of built up the character with Spider-Man three. You're just kind of left with this giant mess. This one doesn't feel as much as a mess to me. That's part of the reason why I don't like Rhino.'cause Rhino is the one part of this movie that I don't think fits in at all. Like it should just be completely removed.'cause it feels absolutely forced. Everything

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

get to Spider-Man three.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

and, and cleaned up a

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It can't be edited because the writing is so bad.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't agree.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It just is. The writing is bad. Okay? And it's not just Rhino, right? They put so many Easter eggs and things like

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

they, that they forced in. Ryan know is the worst part

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Rhino is the worst one, right? But they, they cast mj, they cast catwoman, they did all of these things to try and set up future projects,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I actually like

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and none of it is really thought out and makes a cohesive story or project right? I think you got fanboy eyes and you love the Spider-Man. That ama that he, he portrays and it colors your vision of it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

doesn't make sense though because my, uh, we can talk about my number nine right now. My number nine is the first one of these movies. Or did I put, I think I put, yeah, I put it below Lotus. Lotus in this one could be mixed back and forth, I do not like amazing Spider-Man number one, really at all. Like, I don't like it. it's not like I have these fanboy glasses because

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I think you have fanboy glasses for Andrew Garfield and his amazing Spider-Man. Not for necessarily his movies or his projects, but I think you like that he's wittier than the other two Spiderman.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I think he does a good job as Spider-Man and in my notes for Amazing Spider-Man one, I talk about that. I'm like, he doesn't make a play a good Peter. I don't think he does. But I think he is a good Spider-Man. I think he does a good job with Spider-Man and he does a good job with Spider-Man too. Like in Spider-Man one, he is also does a good job when he is Spider-Man. He just sucks. As Peter Parker,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, I I think we agree with that there. I just, I think you're giving way too much credit for the few highs that amazing Spiderman two has. And it's coloring the fact that like there's so much, not just mediocre, not just crappy, but genuinely bad stuff that the amazing Spider-Man two does.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I said, there is some bad stuff. I think people hit the bad stuff too much because I think there's a lot of good in there, and I think the good outweighs the bad

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It definitely does. Not in this one,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

not at all. You spend half your time on a bad villain and a quarter of your time on a bad Peter Parker.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

So with Spider-Man one I amazing. Spider-Man one, I wrote down that the lizard has absolutely no personality. Dr. Connors is completely an empty villain. One note, useless, stupid character. The one thing I liked about the lizard is that fight scene where they're in the hallway at the school.'cause that's, that is genuinely super cool, but otherwise it's a bad villain that has no personality and is just kind of useless. I get that. People don't like how much they changed electro. I understand that. Electro has a personality, he has a character, he has a motivation, like he is an actual character instead of a OneNote. Nothing, Dr. Connors.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, you've got those two way opposite my guy.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Nah, Dr.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

in the first one.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay. Hold on. Timeout. Let's stop here. Okay. What's your number? Nine. Let's talk about your number nine. We're gonna go in order here. Okay. Stop jumping all over.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay. Spider-Man Lotus is my number nine and uh, my number eight is amazing. Spider-Man. Number one. I could switch these, uh, Spider-Man number one, I have a lot of problems with where I don't like the movie. Lotus to me, was just kind of a, um, first little bit was kind of interesting, and the rest was kind of a waste of time. very good movie, like poor, it's a poor movie. That

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

have

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

disagree with that, but, okay.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

better. Um, with, with some good aspects. Yeah, that's, that's mostly it. That's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay. Spider-Man Lotus is, you went onto your number eight. It is my number eight. Um, we've talked about it before and we both agree that it was a good movie where Spider-Man was just the wrong medium to use,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

so,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it. That's a better way of saying it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

so it was a good Peter Parker dealing with grief story

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That was just

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

that

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

much

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

A little too much and not very progressive at, or it doesn't progress fast enough

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

pacing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

with a start that's really exciting and the rest just kind of feels

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

in comparison.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

right. But it's a fan film, so I'm given some leeway. That's why it beat out amazing Spider-Man number two. Now, as we talk about the amazing Spider-Man, number one, right? You have a guy who's a well-known scientist that Peter Parker has a personal connection to who wants to improve the human race. He has a motivation. He has a reasoning, right? He has a story. It's a stupid reason to want to become a lizard, but it is something. Okay, and you talk down about amazing Spider-Man number two. But what do you have? An amazing Spider-Man. Two, you have a Weeby loser engineer, who, let's be honest, he's an engineer working at OS Corp, so he probably makes pretty fricking good money, who is a fan of the AMA of to, of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, because he helped him back up that one time and then falls into a vat of eels and is irrational and erratic and throws a tantrum.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

And he

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

so Spider-Man has to stand against him,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

picked

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and so he throws a bigger tantrum. And you call that a big, that's what happens. That is literally what happens. He literally goes, and he is like, Spider-Man, look at me. I'm cool now. And Spider-Man's like, you're hurting people. I have to stop you. And he goes, well, if you're not gonna be nice to me and respect me, then I'm gonna throw a bigger tantrum.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

He's sick of being made fun of. He is sick of being belittled. He's sick of everybody. And he finally has this hero who he's like, come on, look at me. Be like, I, I'm trying. Come on. Come on. And the hero also like, seems to belittle him. Does he overreact? Absolutely. For sure. Without a doubt. He overreacts, he overacts because everything's been built up against him for a very, very, very long time.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

But it hasn't been, and

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's how he

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

it's, it's

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it as it's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It's a.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

him for a long, long time.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah, he's a victim blaming tantrum, throwing villain, and I strongly oppose that. You call that a better villain story than the razor thin one than it is in the first one.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

So the first one, he does want to, he does want the typical lizard thing, like he wants to be able to grow limbs back and help people out and blah, blah, blah, blah. But he's just a OneNote character in absolutely every way. There's not like the actor doesn't do a good job with it, the lines aren't well done. It is just a one note, this is lizard, this is what Lizard does, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah, I agree.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's better than tantrum throwing not even one note thick guy.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Then guy who comes to power for the first time in his life and decides that he is going to use that power and nobody's gonna take him down again.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah, because he is a tantrum throwing guy.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I think he's a

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

He's not using the pan. He's not using the power to stop belittling. He's using the power to shut people up. He is literally throwing a tantrum like an 8-year-old.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

he's literally trying to become something bigger that cannot

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No, he's throwing a tantrum.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

cannot be taken away, cannot be belittle, cannot be shut down ever again.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It's a tantrum.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I'll get the

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It's the mentality of a tantrum. Yes, it is a, it's an 8-year-old who's saying, if I can't play with your the blocks too, I'm going to destroy the tower. Literally what it is.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I think a lot of people want more power and more influence than they have, and when people get into a situation where they do have it, a lot of times they blow it in wrong ways and it's a very, very human thing to do, and I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah, but that's not what he is doing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's absolutely what he is doing.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No, he's throwing a tantrum. He's literally saying, I didn't get it my way, the way I wanted it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

No, it's, everyone's turned away from me. Even my hero has turned away from me, now I'm going to become something that you cannot turn away from.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No, he's saying You didn't give me attention the way I wanted it when I wanted it. So now I'm going to knock down your tower.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't agree.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Well, literally, everybody else agrees with me,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's good

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

everybody else.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

else. That's good for everybody else. I, you're all wrong. This, maybe this is my big, uh, going against the grain I don't know, but I disagree completely

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Well, you're just, I'm sorry man. You're just wrong. Like I, I'm glad you find good stuff in it and you're willing to look at the project and, you know, find those cranes of sand. But like, I have the creators themselves on my side, and I'm sure that there's gonna be some people that say I am overly harsh on it. But like, I genuinely, I feel like most of the live action spidermans fall in the good range. You know, not just pretty good but good. And this one just doesn't, this is one of the few that I'm like, I don't care to watch someone victim blame and then throw a tantrum. I don't care to see a betrayal of the, the. Already created works. I don't care to see some bad CG all for what is honestly a really cool like special effect moments in the Times square moment and the fight at the end. Right.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Do

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I can,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Well, do you like the music? I don't, we didn't really get to that. What do you think about it? I think

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I cannot speak to it. Uh, it doesn't stand out to me as particularly amazing. Uh, but I also can't say it's a bad note. I'm sure it's just fine and it's, it's great. Um, to me there's no music like the same Remy Spider-Man music though. It's,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

the Sam Maria me is better, but

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

that's,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

one for having an electric villain to do electro dubstep type music and

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

oh, I hated that.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

as I thought it was cool.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I thought it was a, a cheesy little thing. Okay. I didn't hate it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

cool and I thought they did it well. Like

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I thought it was a cheesy little thing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

and

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

it was.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

but I think it's cool. And like the very fight, the fight at the end where he is connecting to the different, um, electric towers and each one has different music notes. Freaking cool.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's where it hit the cheese. That's where the cheese hit. That's where it was. Aggressively cheese,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

love it. I think it's awesome.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

caravan of garbage calls that part out as to even be it unbelievably cheesy.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I think it's cool and it works with like. It works with Spider-Man.'cause Spider-Man's a little cheesy and I freaking love it. I love it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay, well I'm glad you loved it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I'll go into Spider-Man one a little bit more.'cause I, is one like Spider-Man one. I don't, I don't enjoy the movie, but I also don't, I'm not against anybody who does enjoy this movie. Um,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

'cause it has genuinely good things in it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

uh, the only thing I really like about this movie is that one lizard fight in the hallway.'cause that lizard fight is sweet. Like, it's genuinely super cool. that and the relationship between, uh, between Gwen Stacey and Peter Parker, they have good chemistry and that's the same. And the second one, to me, I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

it, it's not as good in the second one, but you also have, like, I feel like the witty comments in the first one as Spider-Man are better placed. I, I, he's not letting people get hurt and possibly die just to make those comments.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't agree with that second part of your statement, but they do do a good job with the comments. Andrew Garfield does a good job as the Spider-Man character. My problem with Spider-Man, one is mostly the Peter Parker stuff. I think the way he gets his powers is dumb. I think the fact that he doesn't change really at all as a character between having powers and not having powers is dumb. I think

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's'cause he is a bad Peter Parker, but,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

a bad Peter Parker,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

the fight scene where he, uh, like punches, what's his name? Thompson. The guy who's bullying him, um, is bad. It's. Garbage. I really

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Mm-hmm.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

at all. all the Peter stuff, which is a large majority of this movie, is just not well done. Aunt May is fine, but she's not my favorite. I, that one's partly because I like the Aunt Maye in the first original series. So much better that it's just bells in comparison, but she's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah. Agreed.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

and then the spot, the part at the end that just pisses me off and drives me nuts is where he is shot in the leg and he's like, I'm gonna limp. I need to limp'cause I'm such a pany ass and I just gotta limp. But all of a sudden everyone's cheering on so I can swing and I can run.'cause they put, they put the machines in the right order. It is absolutely so damn stupid and I hate it. It is one of my least favorite scenes in movie history. I hate this stupid scene. The first time I watched the movie I was like, this isn't very good. But I don't hate it. And then I watched that scene and I was like, screw this movie. This is retarded. so dumb, so freaking dumb. And, um, there is, there's not another movie in the Spider-Man franchise that has things where I'm like, I actively do not like that. this movie has multiple parts where I'm like, I actively don't like that. the Spider-Man getting shot in the leg is the cherry on the top of stupid.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I agree with you fundamentally, it's really stupid. Uh, the idea and emotion of, you know, the city coming together to help out. Spider-Man though is where I give it some credit. Uh, yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's dumb to have the cranes fix everything. Yes. Him getting shot in the leg and him limping is not a problem. But him not limping five minutes later is when it becomes a problem.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Dude,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It is like 30 seconds.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

no.'cause he hit, he limps to jump off of it, and then he swings and then he lands and then is not limping. Um, so like, I, I agree with you there. On a fundamental level, you look at them and go, that, that is so freaking stupid,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's so

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but. I, I do like the emotional and the idea that like the city is getting behind Spider-Man two in that moment.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I guess I kind of like that idea too. Is it worth the trade off of the stupidity? No, but.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah. Probably not.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It, it, it, yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

the sentiment I guess is, is good. Sort of, I don't know. Anyway, that is my number eight. I probably really should move that one to number nine because I don't have anything in Lotus that I just don't like, and I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

how long and dragged out it is how bad the Spider-Man scenes are. Uh, like the opening crawl is the best part of the movie, and that's not even like.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

And there's some things, an amazing Spiderman one that genuinely, like, I don't like, like I actually, like, I'm negative about it, and it's just being like, eh, that wasn't very good.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

sense?

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah, that's fair. Like I get that, but I, I just think that like amazing Spider-Man has some highs.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Has a couple. a

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yep. Which is more than Lotus.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

th that's the, that's the reason that I had it in number eight is'cause there were a couple things that were highs, a couple.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah. Um, I agree with you. The villain is not the best, but I don't think he's the worst villain ever. I also don't like, he's probably right in the middle in terms of live action Spider-Man villains.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay. He is very, very, very low for me. Very

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I mean, you've got, in my opinion, electro you've got amazing Spider-Man, green Goblin. You've got, uh, Toby McGuire's Venom. You've got.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

only one that I might put lower

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, there's, there's quite a few. There's a, a few Tom Holland, ones that aren't really like super great either. Uh, like I would say Vulture is only saved by the actor, not his actual vulture ness. So,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's fair. That's fair.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

uh, and then there's the, the fact that like Tom Holland really hasn't faced that many Spider-Man villains either. Uh, I didn't love Mysterio, though. I would put Mysterio slightly above, um, lizard man. Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

too.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but like, you know, that's, that's where we're at, right? The, the villains. Um, like it's crazy for me to be like, Spider-Man has the best villains in the MCU and look at all these movies that I genuinely love and be like, well, he's not a very good villain. He's not a very good villain. That one's not really a good villain. And that one's only really good'cause of the actor and his portrayal as his alter ego, and not necessarily his portrayal as the villain and, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I mean, when we get to the top of these, they're all great villains, but,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I agree. I agree. Well, uh, let's go with your number seven. What's your number seven?

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

all right, my number seven, this is where I say that this is the pretty good zone for Spider-Man live actions. Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

too.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

the next, I don't know, three on my list I would say are totally interchangeable. Wouldn't be mad. Um. Either way, uh, because my number seven is Spider-Man three with Toby McGuire. Uh, this is one that on rewatch and specifically watching the extended edition of the movie, you realize, you know, I think people were probably a little overly harsh when this movie came out. And, you know, you're fighting with stuff like Ironman One and you don't have a lot of other options. Yes, I, I get it that Sam Raey was originally planning on making five movies, and when he got told that it was only, this was his last project, he kind of rushed some stuff. Uh. I don't think that, what's his name's version of Brock is that bad? Um, granted, my introduction to Venom came after it. So when I originally saw it, I wasn't like grossly offended by his portrayal of it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I didn't, I didn't think the black suit was that bad either. It did feel like, kind of an afterthought, but I didn't think was the end of the world. Uh, Sandman was clearly the best part of it. Everything else was really not that great. Yes, that dancing scene was super cringe, but. Overall, I still think it's a pretty good movie. Uh, Harry's version of Goblin is absolutely awful, but this is one where I feel like they did do the work, right? You had two movies to establish his motive for changing and turning against his best friend, and that worked really well for me, uh, mixed with him getting dosed with the same drug that drove Harry Osborne, um, mad. So he's also getting a little bit mind messed up. Uh, that all worked for me. I just didn't like the snowboard and the basically generic bad guy look where he's not really unique in any way. Uh, you know, they could have touched up his look quite a bit and I wouldn't have hated it so much. Uh. A lot of the stunts and things. I agree, not great. Uh, there's the scene where they're going between the houses and Harry gets claws lined and you see this like generic blob smack three things and then smack onto the ground. And you go, that guy would be so dead. Like he would be flattened if we were to hit the ground that hard. Uh, you know, that's one thing that the amazing Spider-Man did really good with Gwen Stacey, is it, it felt hard, but fair. And this one, when Harry hits the ground, it's like, no, that was way hard, man. Like, you're so dead, you're so concussed. You're seeing double for a year, uh, how hard you hit stuff. But, uh, it's still Sam Raey. You still get Toby McGuire Spider-Man stuff. Uh, you still get his Peter Parker ness at the beginning of the movie. And again, at the end, uh. If there's some cringe, but overall this is still pretty good. And I would rewatch this one again, specifically the extended edition helps out quite a bit with it and you know, Sandman is, is done fairly well in it, so you know,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

not all bad.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

three, I, I real, I honestly hated it when I first watched it

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Me too.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

who was too harsh on it. I really was.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's, you rewatch it and you're like, this has got some good stuff in it. It's a decent movie, not,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's decent. Um, stuff is honestly really good. I like the. The stuff with, uh, with Peter Parker and mj. I think it's good in this movie. Um, I like the first half of the stuff with Harry. The second half I thought was resolved too quickly and it doesn't feel satisfying.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yep.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's just, it's, it's, it's poorly plotted. But that could be because they were planning to keep it going. black suit stuff, the Peter Parker part of the black suit stuff is not great.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it, but it's not, it's not

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

it's pretty cringe. Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah, it's, it's pretty rough. then venom itself, I think, I think Eddie Brock and the way they did Eddie Brock was actually not bad in this movie. I think it's pretty well done. Venom is terrible. Venom is really, really bad. And it's a beg, a major negative to the movie. But it altogether in this one package you have kind of this messy package that's decent enough and decent enough to watch. But that's about it. Like not, not

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Not great, decent enough. That's kind of where I would put it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah. I'm not mad at that at all.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

cool. That Spider-Man three is my number six. My number seven was far from home. Um, and this one's partly because of how much I love Mysterio in the comic books, in the animation. I think he's such a cool character and in this, he's just not great. He's not terrible, but he is not great. The whole London thing should have worked better than it did, it doesn't work super well for me. The whole Mysterio plot is kind of, it

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Razor thin.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's not, it's not really well done. The way that they incorporate technology inside of this movie, I'm not a huge fan of. It's not, it just feels like it was supposed to be there because you're supposed to have this heartfelt thing about Iron Man. And I, it's just not great. so you're left with a lot of stuff that could have worked really well, but in the end just kind of made me feel really disappointed. then, um, you have MJ and Peter Parker and they're a real life couple, but I don't like them as a couple. they're, they're supposed to have really good chemistry'cause they literally have chemistry in real life. And I don't buy this couple, I don't like the couple, I don't, they are by far, by miles my least favorite couple in Spider-Man live action movies. And the, the, these are supposed to,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I agree, but only because the other two are so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

yeah, I.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Like you're, you're comparing it to two others and the two others are top tier,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

They're great. And this

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

you know?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

eh, like, it's, it's not terrible, but it's, eh,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Right. I be, I just disagree with you saying you don't like the couple or believe the couple.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

maybe I'm making it a little too strong. It's possible. I,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

'cause like I do buy the couple, they do have chemistry. It's just not as prominent and as good as the other ones. Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

seen like Hallmark movies where I see them have better chemistry than these two, and they're a real couple. Like, it's, it's not terrible. I'm not gonna say it's terrible, but it's not good.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I, I, I put it in the mediocre area. Um, so just a little above you.'cause there are things that I like about it. There are things that I don't like about it. And then there's the whole, it's mj, not mj, kind of to it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

that makes me not like it. But then there's also the, it's a different MCU made up universe that they've already kind of established. So I give it some leeway at the same time for that reason. And so I just like, I. I think the other two just do a fantastic job.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

they do.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

And this one's fine. Like I wouldn't mark it as a hit on the movie or a, a positive mark on the movie.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Just kind of middling. That's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

enough, honestly. Um, it just makes it so far from home. Doesn't really have any highs for me to talk about, and it's just kind of a blah movie in my opinion. And a very disappointing movie.'cause I was honest, I was really excited for this one and it, it was kind of blah,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I was not super excited about this one. Uh, this is, what's his name that plays Mysterio

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

uh, Jake Gien Hall.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm not a big fan of Jake Gyllenhaal to begin with. Um, I, I have liked Mysterio in the past. Um. Seeing him cast as Mysterial, I was not a really big fan of mostly'cause I'm not a big Jake Gyal fan. I've got nothing against him. Uh, he's just really, really famous. And there's not a single project of his that I just go, wow, what an amazing thing that I got to see that now.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Night crawler is awesome. You should watch Night Crawler.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, that's Jake General Hall. What do I care? Um,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Have you seen Donny? Donny Darko?

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay. I like Donny Darko too, but I understand when people don't.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, that was not my thing. Um, I, I, I've seen stuff with him in it and I've never absolutely hated him. It is just the simple amount of fame he has versus the work he's done. Like, I probably view him like you've. At least he used to view Matt Damon,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

you see him getting all these big roles and seeing not all that good quality stuff. Uh, he's very similar in his acting. He does a fine job, but he's like a-list actor and I'm like,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

is.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

he should be like high Cs, low bees in my mind, um, in terms of his skill. But all that being said, uh, I wasn't super excited about that casting choice. Um, so while I liked Mysterio, I also didn't love Mysterio. Um, and I went into this one with a little bit of a, a grain of salt, mostly because at the time we weren't really sure if we were gonna get more Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Uh, there was a big negotiation with the deal between Disney and Sony and arguing about who's worth what and. All that kind of stuff. So again, I was like very skeptical about this movie, and then it came out and I was like, wow, that was something, uh, there was, there was some, there's, there's some good stuff, right? I think the action sequences are really well done. Uh, I like fundamentally the idea of him using drones as, um, uh, an okay aspect. Uh, I fundamentally disagree with Topi or Tom Hollands. Choice to trust this guy following, um, iron Man's death, as in he just learned this big thing about responsibility and truth and trust, and we just fought Thanos. And then this guy shows up and he says he's mysterio. And you go, well, you better have this big ultimate weapon because I don't have the the chops to be responsible enough with it. And I'm like, okay, no. At worst, you're just gonna put it on a shelf and be done with it for a while. You're not gonna give it away to somebody you don't really know. Like, what, where was this guy during Thanos? Where was this guy when we needed all the help, when we needed everybody. Like, no, you have no trust built up with you. It wasn't even another avenger that you trusted this with. It was some guy you met one time. And that really, really bothered me that he was like, here's this super weapon, do, do. And I'm like, okay.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Ridiculous.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

no, no. Uh, but like I said, visually, uh, very good. Uh, the fight between Mysterio and him, uh, there were moments that I was absolutely amazed with the visual trickery that they used the mysterio doing, uh, kind of fell apart towards the end though. I did like the idea that he set Spider-Man up and revealed his identity, uh, as kind of a last ditch f you to Spider-Man kind of a thing. Uh. You've got Jay, Jon, Jonas Jameson in this one. Can't get too mad at that'cause he is always great.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

thing in the movie. Is

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, you get some shout outs to some lesser known Spider-Man stuff like when he wears the black suit and he does the Bag Boy thing. Like that's such deep callbacks that you just, you gotta give respect. Like the people making this movie love Spider-Man. And even though they can't tell traditional Spider-Man because of it being MCU, but still getting those little inklings in there, you just love them. Um, I think Tom Holland is the best of both worlds. Um, like we've talked about, I think Toby McGuire's the best. Peter Parker, I think Andrew Garfield is the best Spider-Man. And you got Tom Holland in the middle who's just being not quite as good at either of them, but good enough at both that you get

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

with that.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

some, some both. Um. You know, and, uh, you're, you're dealing with a lot of layers in this movie with it coming off of the Avengers two. So I give it some leeway there as well. But like I said, I slightly put this one above Spider-Man three, but next week I could change my mind and if somebody said, no, even Spider-Man three is better than that one, I'd be like, okay, fair enough. Like, uh, I can't be too mad at that.'cause it was kind of a big let down of, of almost every aspect in terms of Spider-Man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah, that's really what the movie is, was just kind of disappointing overall.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

like I said, my number six was Spider-Man three, and it's just'cause there were more positives for me than this movie has. There's a couple moments in Spider-Man three where I'm like, that's really cool. I really like that. far from home. Most of it. The great, great majority of it is just kinda, eh.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Fair enough. Totally. Fair enough.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

So your number six was far from home. What is your

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yep. My number five is the amazing Spider-Man one. This is my last, I think of the pretty good zone. Um, I think that they took some chances with this one and they really tried to differentiate themselves from Sam Ramey Spider-Man. And I think that there are areas where that worked out really, really well. And there are areas where that really, really didn't, like when Peter Parker dunk, say, basketball or throws the football, or is Peter Parker at any point in time in this movie? Uh. Other than his chemistry that he has with Emma Stone, uh, they establish it really well. It feels very natural, uh, given the characters that we're looking at. I think it's an origin story. So they do the MCU thing where it's a pretty good villain to establish your character and it's not a great villain.'cause I think there's only a few superhero movies. I would say the Origin story villain is a really good villain.'cause you got Spider-Man ones Green Goblin.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yes, the first Batman. Batman Begins

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

No,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Oh,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I not a big fan of that. Like it's a good villain. Don't get me wrong. It's a good villain, but great villain. I don't think so. They spent too much time establishing Batman for it to be a super great villain. Uh, I think Liam Neeson does a great job at that role. Scarecrow Iss kind of an afterthought, uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

both of'em. I really love both of'em.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

um, guardians of the Galaxy One

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

is fantastic, but other than that, I think the rest of'em are

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

The

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

pretty good. You know, good villains,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

first

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

saying bad villains. Um, but yeah. Yeah. Um, so it's, it's, it's kind of like what I'm saying. It's like an average villain for an origin story.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

So I, I'm not too down on amazing Spider-Man one's villain. I, I think it's a very good establishing this character. You know, we can, I. You know, be upset at his portrayal of Peter Parker. But it's consistent unlike, you know, Spiderman three, uh, with a very inconsistent Peter Parker. Um, and it's consistent in the second one like you, that's definitely the same Peter Parker. It's, you know, it's not Peter Parker that we know and love, but you know, it's the same one that they

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Shows.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Um, and you know, my reaction to the amazing Spider-Man one when it first came out was, you know, that wasn't my favorite Spider-Man movie, but it gets me excited for what they do next. Like, what are they gonna do when they don't have to do the origin stuff?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You know? And like my biggest downside to this one is when they can't say. With great power comes great responsibility. So they remar write it. I don't even remember what the line is, but they make it something really long and ridiculous. And it's like, we all know what you're doing here. And I know that that wasn't an original like Spider-Man comic line, but it's still iconic Spider-Man because of Sam Remy. And it's better to not say it than to rewrite it, I think. Um, and like even that's not like a big knock down on it. It, you know, I, I was very excited for it to come back out. Uh, few years ago when I re-watched, uh, all the Toby McGuire Spider-Man's, when I first saw the extended edition of Spider-Man three, I re-watched Amazing Spider-Man one and Two, and my reaction to the first one was. Am I too harsh on the second one because I genuinely am pretty excited to see what they do with this character again, even though I knew in the back of my head I remembered liking it. So, uh, like I said, it, it, it's in my pretty good Spider-Man live action things. It's the top one of my pretty good Spider-Man's, you know, uh, it is what it is. I, I think it's pretty good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Fair enough. Fair enough. Um, my next two, honestly, I could switch back and forth. Homecoming is my number five. And that was, I really debated on this one'cause I don't, they're, they're close to me. I, uh, I think homecoming's a pretty decent, enjoyable movie that. That's where I would put it. It's pretty decent, enjoyable movie. the Ironman stuff my favorite, but it's not terrible. I think the Vulture is pretty good. I do think the actor makes a huge, huge, huge difference, but he's pretty good. Um, Spider-Man and Peter Parker are both portrayed well. it's a solid enough movie. I like MJ Moore in this one than I do later in the series actually. everything about it is just pretty good. writing is pretty good. It's all enjoyable. Spider-Man. And that's, that's kind of my thoughts. I don't have a ton of thoughts on homecoming. enjoyable enough movie.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay. Uh, my number four is homecoming. This is where I say it gets better than pretty good. Uh, I enjoy homecoming a lot. Um. It actually, I genuinely really, really like Homecoming. Um, I think the down mark on it is Vulture Villain is only pretty good. I think the rest of it, you get a really good p Peter Parker, you get a really good mj, you get him establishing, you know, it's not an origin story, origin story'cause they're establishing that he was already Spider-Man

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah, you do a good job with that

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and coming off of Civil War and you know, they're basically like everybody knows who Spider-Man is. So we're gonna skip that fantastic choice.'cause if we had to go through another origin story after establishing the character in Civil War, that would feel a bit exhausting. Um, you get him in the dance and Vulture is the dad and you have that moment where Vulture's talking to Peter Parker and it's so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Really

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh. And you get some really good fights and you get Vulture versus Spider-Man and you know, all of that goodness that comes along with it. And like he's still figuring out who he wants to be. Like I said, they're still establishing the character without making it an origin story. So I think they did a great job with that too.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

and the vulture is kind of cool for not being, like, they change the character completely. Like it's one to poke at your electro comment a little bit. It's not the same character in any way, shape or form, but they

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but they paid homage to it.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

of the character. I mean, sort of mean, the other one is a old man that becomes a vultures and he can suck life outta somebody to live longer. This is not the same thing like at

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

In some, in some comics, not all of the comics, right? A lot of these characters have multiple uh, things. But he is an older guy and in this one he's an older guy, right? I mean

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I'm not saying when you're making a comic book movie, you have to copy and paste what the comics do or at least one of the comics do, right? I'm saying you have to pay homage. Yes, it's a different looking vulture, but there are things that they do to say we respect the original art with it. Right? It looks different, but like the way the wings are shaped, you go, that's still vulture in the comics, right? They do things with it and like, yes, it's not the same origin story for Vulture because all of a sudden you have the Avengers and everything. And that's not really a thing in the comics with Vulture origin that I am aware of. Um.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I dunno of either

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

They do things to pay homage to it, right? Like they still show and acknowledge it, right? So if we, if we're taking this out of, out of, like, the comparison I'm gonna make is like, what if instead of Star Wars Disney, the way they did it where they said they didn't have writing work to go off of,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

they said, Hey, we have this really great writing, but we still wanna tell our own story, so we're still gonna respect the writing that came before it. Right. That is a better thing to have done, but they didn't do that. So now we hate the Last Jedi even more because they made those stupid comments and because they didn't respect the writing that we've come to know and love. Right? That's, that's my comparison that I would make to the amazing Spider-Man two is they didn't even try to establish that they respected the writing of the character that came before it. They just said, we're doing our own thing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah. I feel like the vulture's very different too, and I, I'm not even arguing that that's a bad thing. That was just kind of my point is that it's very different and that's not a, not

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I agree.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

a bad thing, like they do a good

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It is very different, but they still respected the, the original writing and they did things to pay homage to where it came from.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

What did they do that paid that you felt like paid homage? Because I mean, electro has electric powers and kind of like the comic book, and this guy can fly of like the comic book, and they're both very different characters.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, so it, there's different ways to pay homage, right? So the look, right, so if we talk, say we pay homage to the look right. The wings of the vulture are the wings from the comic book, right? So the look they've paid homage to, right.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

The powers themselves, right. Electric powers and electric powers, yes. Functionality. Sure. I'll give you that one. With electro Vulture, same kind of thing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah. Can

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Different, but the same enough.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

There's some changes.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

character. And character, right? Amazing. Spider-Man two, they do nothing Nada with the original character.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

And in Spider-Man Homecoming, he's still an older guy. He's still, uh, wanting a lot of similar things, um, in terms of he's actually, uh, lower middle class, uh, trying to build wealth and kind of getting crapped on.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Some

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

So,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

robber type situation thing, kind of.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

So yeah, I agree. It's, it's very different. I would go with those words. It's very different. And I'm not saying everything is the same, but they gave you enough with Vulture to know that they respected. And acknowledge the writing that came before. Whereas with the, uh, electro, they didn't do anything.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

too.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay. Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

that's just that,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

All right. Uh, with that, my number four is obviously amazing. Spiderman too. We've talked plenty about that. What is your number three actually, or number three is the same.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

uh, no way. Home, um, is my number three. This is the one I've re-watched most recently. Uh, I'm gonna come out and say it. This is a great Spider-Man movie. It's fantastic. And I think anybody who criticizes it for just being nostalgia bait is dead wrong.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I agree completely. I.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

think it's nostalgia. I think that, uh, I hate crossover universe stuff, uh, across the spider verse. Bothers the crap outta me. Uh, for a lot of those same reasons. It's just obnoxious. It opens up way too many plot holes and abilities and things like, well, I can't beat this villain, so let's just bring in 10 more Spider-Man. You know, like, it, it is obnoxious in that, in that way. In this one, they used the old Spider-Man that we know and love to act as Uncle Ben, and they delivered the actual line that needed to be said with the worst Aunt May, that you could possibly use, and still made it work in the MCU ness of it all. Uh.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

And the reason for. The multiple Spider-Man being there is solid. It's well done. I think that they do, I think Andrew Garfield is actually the best in this movie, weirdly enough. He does a great job. they, they just do a good job. All the spidermans do good jobs. The villains they deal with, well, all the villains have a reason for being there. They're not just there for fluff pieces. They're actually used. it's really good.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah, uh, completely agree with you except for the Andrew Garfield moment.'cause I just think that, uh, there are times where each of them shine and Andrew Garfield sticks out to you because he kind of shines at the end. Um, because another thing that I love about this is, it's just not about Tom Holland, right? They, you have three Spider-Man in three different phases of life.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Which is

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You have the aged, you know, mature one, and to Toby McGuire, you have the one who just lost Emma Stone in Andrew Garfield. And you have the one who hasn't really lost anything quite yet like that in, in Tom Holland. And you know, you have the passing of wisdom and the different perspectives from the different Spider-Man going through the different aspects. And it's really, really great. And, and like you didn't like Lizard Man, so they stuck him in a truck for the majority of the movie. Absolutely. The right call. I know they did that for budget reasons and the fact that the actor wasn't actually there, but it was absolutely the right call.'cause I think in that scenario, he is the worst villain. Um, what they did with Green Goblin, fantastic. The fact that they made him. The best Green goblin in Willem Defoe is the villain of two of our Spider-Man. And in both of'em, he did such a phenomenal job that you, you absolutely love it. Uh, Dr. Octavius and the savior complex of Spider-Man and having to deal with that

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's one of my favorite things in that movie,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

uh, Sandman and him doing the right things for selfish reasons and trying to get back to his daughter. Oh my gosh, so good. Um, and then you've got Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire and Tom Holland all on screen together, making memes and having a great time, and being Spider-Man and having,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

keep that Spider-Man filling with all of

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

they do a good job of not making them all feel like the same Spider-Man. They write it to where it matches each personality, which is super impressive. I.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Absolutely. Yeah. Uh, the way they swing, like I'm, I'm sure Toby McGuire can't really bend like that anymore'cause he is quite a bit older. But they have the silhouette and you can still tell which Spider-Man is which Spider-Man, by

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

so

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

way they pose in the moonlight. Like so good. And the fact that they used the old Spider-Man to act as Uncle Ben, I think is absolute genius work. And it's just so good. Like really, really great. This one to me is like a nine out of 10 kind of movie. It is so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I'd probably give it an eight. I'd probably give an eight. But still like great movie.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That's that's fair. That is totally fair. Like.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, I just like people criticize it for being nostalgia, but I don't think that it's just nostalgia

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

No,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and I don't think it's,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

be

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

yeah, it's so good. And like this is easily the best mini villain, Spider-Man things out there. Like you just don't get that many villains on screen and have it work out, except in this one scenario, like, I only have one real big criticism of this movie, and it has nothing to do with the actual movie.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Oh, I don't love the ending, to be honest. But other than

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Where they forget everything.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

yeah, it's

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

you love that?

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

um, I think the idea of Spider-Man having to sacrifice something is very cool and very tenant to what Spider-Man is. I think. The idea that the answer to this big problem is that everybody's mind just had to go was a little bit contrived.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

But the, the whole reason that the Split universe happens because people know he's Spider-Man and he's messing with the sp the spell to make them forget is also contrived. Like, explain to me why a spell about making people forget opens dimensions to other universes.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I agree that that whole

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Like it,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

contrived.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

contrived,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah. And

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

that's where the problem is. I guess

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

is not the problem.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's true. That's true. That's a better way of saying it. The whole situation is kind of contrived. It's not my favorite, but it's not terrible.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I, I agree. It's a little bit contrived and it's a little bit too convenient to do what it's doing,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yes.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

but I don't dislike it. Uh, because you do get the really cool fight between Spider-Man and Dr. Strange. Over the box, which was a really cool visual thing that makes up for it on its own. Like my knock against it is the post credit scene

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

because I know it wasn't likely. But I really, really like Tom Hardy. I think he's fantastic and he is a super underrated actor,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I agree.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and they had laid the foundation that his venom could possibly be in a Tom Holland Spider-Man movie in his earlier post credit scene. And in this one they took it away. That is my knock on it, is that they took away Tom Holland or Tom Hardy fighting Tom Holland. That is my knock against it. And it's a post credit scene.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

sick. That

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I would've been so excited about it, and it would've been so much better than the Venom movies that we actually did get. Because Tom Hardy, you're better than that, but not the topic of conversation here. Uh, but yeah, I, I genuinely love homecoming, or sorry, not homecoming. No way home. It's enjoyable all the way through.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it is.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

The writing is fantastic. You don't feel like anybody's cheaped out with the villains or the heroes. Like, I mean, really think about that. You have three heroes, like six villains and all of'em. You're like, the only one they really got rid of was the lizard man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yep.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

The other ones they improved on in electro and the other ones, they played true homage to the characters that they came from and their motivations and everything. And you absolutely love it. Uh, so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

This is a weird way of say, but they do such a good job with all of the villains that I feel like they improve on all of them. Even when you have a great villain like Hawk, who is already so well done, they still improve on him by giving him more greatness,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

they build on it, not improve on it. Right? So with Electro, they basically did a 180 where they were like, okay, the look is not the right look. That was the wrong call to make. We need to change that. Where

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

where the other ones, they keep

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

the other ones, they were like, okay, so the only thing to really build on Octavius is to give him the nanotech

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yeah.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

and the rest of it is just developing his character. With Willam Defoe, they're just developing his character with Sandman. They're just developing his character while, you know, so I. That, that's a distinction I make between those and every single one of'em I think is the right call. Like I said, I think it's the right call that lizard Doc is in the van the whole time and we didn't get too much screen time with him because A, he's not the most solid B, he just needed to be there to kind of be the devil's advocate in a couple of conversations. You know, the rest of'em were all there, you know, actually developing and doing really good things with, and I, I love every second of that movie. It's so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

That's awesome, man. That's awesome. let's go to number two. Our, our next ones are all the same. Uh, number two, I wrote, this is only number two because Spider-Man two is basically perfect. I love Spider-Man one. Spider-Man one is great. I think Green Goblin is extremely well done. William Defo does a wonderful job. The introduction of MJ is. It's perfect in this one. I like Toby and his nerdiness as Peter Parker. It's really good. One of my favorite parts of the movie is when he is figuring out his powers for the first time. And he is like, Shazam Al Kazoom. And it's just, it's so, it's so Spider-Man and it's so Peter Parker and it's just so well done. The, uh,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Lunchroom scene, the fight with flash.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

all of it is just

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

All of it is so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Aunt May is cast perfectly in this.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

So is Uncle Ben.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Yes. We will never get an Aunt May that's better than this at May. I would be shocked. I don't, I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Agreed.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Um, everything about it, the end fight and the implications of the end fight, the way that Spider-Man deals with that last fight, uh, the way Green Goblin dies, everything about it is just utter perfection. I love this movie. I. I love this movie so much and Spider-Man two is just that much better. that doesn't mean Spider-Man one is an absolutely freaking incredible,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Uh, I think you basically said it all. I think the only thing that differentiates these two is Spider-Man Two has the train scene.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

okay.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

That is the only thing.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

that Spider-Man two has that section where he gives up his powers, which is one of my favorite sections in movie history, period. I love that section. I love the idea of somebody having the choice to not be a superhero, but choosing to be a superhero. Anyway, when I, when I think about moments where I just kind of don't wanna do anything, I have depression. I'm like, I just wanna lay in bed all day. When I have those moments, I think of that scene and like somebody having the choice, he's, he's smart enough, he can just. Go and be a nerd and go get a job in some lab somewhere and he'll be totally fine with his life. can have the girl, it can, it can all be okay. But he decides that he has a responsibility to be something more. With great power comes great responsibility and that is shown so well in that scene. And I like, it gives me chills thinking about it. I love that scene I love that scene so much. That scene is the reason why Spider-Man Two is my favorite superhero movie I freaking love it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I agree with you. It's a fantastic scene. I think it Spider-Man one has just as many fantastic scenes, but you're also establishing it's an origin story. Um. Uh, if you compare villains, right? If you said Doc Hawk or Green Goblin, I would put a hair on the Green Goblin side. Uh,

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I like Doc Hawk a little bit better.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

I like Doc Hawk a ton, but him being Harry's dad and his portrayal of Green Goblin and, and you have the parade scene and his ruthlessness madness and, um, killing himself with Harry blaming Spider-Man because Spider-Man, uh, was the one who laid him on the bed. It's so good, right? And Doc Hawk, you just lose a little bit of the personal touch that Spider-Man has with the character, which is still good. They still do a fantastic job with it, not knocking at all, like I said, one hair on the Green Goblin side. Um, and then in the later movies they pay, you know, it still haunts him that that happens. And I think that. You know, it's impact carries on too, but that thing that really sets it aside, right? The one positive mark I had for Amazing Spider-Man is, I like the idea of the city coming together with Spider-Man.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Mm-hmm.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You have that in the train scene, in the fact that everybody sees his face, but they don't take pictures, they don't identify him, they respect him. You know, they say he just saved our freaking lives when we're not gonna take advantage of this situation. After that scene, which is an amazing scene with the runaway train, uh, I just absolutely love it. I think it's, there's a reason. It's one of the most famous superhero scenes in anything

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

It's insane.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

as him holding the train back. It's so freaking good. So cool. And it's not even like one of those really epic, CG things, right? It's. It's him in front of a train doing, you know, like it's not the most extravagant, but it carries so much weight in that scene. And the fact that it like knocks him out and he's just exhausted from it and all of the things that add on to it is that is the one thing that barely puts Spider-Man two ahead.'cause so good.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

the, the train scene is amazing. The Toby choosing to accept his powers, the MJ being like, it's my choice to be with you. It's my choice. This is all about choice. And I love the aspect of choice in Spiderman too. The people on the train, they choose to be with him. Um. The doc hawk at the end. He chooses to stop listening to the voices. And the way that they do the voices with the, with the arms is so good.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Yeah.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

he chooses to stop listening to the voices. He says, my only choice, my only option is to go down the, with the fusion reactor that he is made. This is, this is the only, only choice that I have to save the city and to save myself. Uh, it makes sense for the character. It makes sense for the villain. You root for this villain. It's a, it's a gray villain and I usually don't like that kind of thing, but it's done so well in this movie. I, I think Spider-Man two is perfect. I, I wouldn't change anything. Nothing. I, I think it's perfect. I love that movie. I love it so much.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

So would you give it a 10 outta 10 Mr. 10 outta tens don't exist.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I, uh, if I, there's nothing I would change about it. Nothing. Uh,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Would you change anything about the first one?'cause I wouldn't either. I think it's the best multiple personality villain stories that exists.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's also real. Uh, I don't,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

And it's also about choice.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

there is nothing I would change about it. It just doesn't hit the emotional highs that Spider-Man Two for does for me. And Spider-Man Two is about choice for more characters, in my opinion, like the MJ Choice aspect at the very end of the movie. I also just love, isn't quite as much with Spider-Man one. uh, I don't know if I changed anything about Spider-Man One. Spider-Man Two has the emotional aspect that is ingrained in me and literally when we talk about movies that changed who we are, that one Spider-Man one didn't do that. I literally love Spider-Man one, but it doesn't have the. Impact on who I am, like Spiderman two does,

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay, that's totally fair.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

and

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

But

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it a 10?

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

that.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't wanna admit I break my rule, but I have literally nothing I would change about it. Um, yeah, probably.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

Okay. I wouldn't, but I, I'm proud of you for admitting that a 10 outta 10 exists.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

I don't wanna admit it. I don't like that. Ugh. I feel gross. It gets to 9.9. It gets, I can't give tens. I can't do

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You already did.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

You can't take it back. We, it's on record. We've got it. Okay. So Spider-Man two is a 10 out of 10 in LAN's eyes. We're all proud of him from having this growth.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

it's so good.

josh-dietrich_1_05-21-2025_124221:

It's fantastic. Absolutely.

konlin-gappmayer_1_05-21-2025_164215:

Anyway, guys, with that, that is our ranking of the Spider-Man movies. I would love to see what yours is. Absolutely. And I feel like our most hot topic one was amazing. Spider-Man two. Tell me if I'm even kind of right. Am I completely full of crap? Like absolutely. Tell me, um, what is your list? All that kinda good stuff. Thanks for watching. Like subscribe, all that good stuff. We'll see you next time. See you guys. Bye.

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