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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Love Death and Robots, Until Dawn
Love Death and Robots
User Comments, Tora Tora Tora, Nona’s, Until Dawn, Love Death and Robots
00:00 - User Comment
12:24 - Tora Tora Tora
35:57 - Nona’s
38:16 - Until Dawn
52:00 - Love Death and Robots
Hey everybody. It is onscreen offscreen back with another episode. I am gonna start with a user comment and it is from Eleanor Vince Vincent, 2 9 6, and she says, I think Miguel's the most tragic character in the show She's talking about, this is us. I. He lost his best friend. His marriage failed, and he did not have a good relationship with his children. had a second and beautiful romance with Rebecca, but the same time he never felt a part of the p Pearson family With the bulky figure of Jack always present screen, the script writers also. Managed to break our hearts with his story, which until then had been put on back on the back burner. I've always appreciated most is the fact that Kevin goes to find Miguel's son so that he can reconnect with his father and he scatters the ashes with Kev at the place of Miguel's childhood. completely agree, and this is something that I did not mention when I gave my review. Um, I talked about how Rebecca. to go back with Jack and how that's an amazing and beautiful moment. You have these two that you've been following throughout the entire show and you have their love, but kind of pushes Miguel out of the picture. You, you root for Jack, you root for Jack, but you like Miguel too. And, um, I think it was season two when you find out. I, I did, I did root for Miguel too. I like Miguel. Um, I. I thought that I would not like Miguel. I, I found out that they were together and I, I literally turned to my wife and I said, what's the most dramatic thing that they could do? They're gonna make, Miguel and Rebecca are in a relationship, and literally right after that, they walked through the front door. It was hilarious, I was like, there's no way they can make this land. There's no way they can make me like Miguel. I did like Miguel. By the end of this show, it's one that actually worked for me. It felt authentic. They were really, really good friends and they felt both felt awkward about it. They didn't rush into anything. They each other space The relationship built in a very authentic way. And you have Miguel, who is taking care of Rebecca as she's losing her memories and you see the weight that's getting put on him, but he carries that weight anyway. And it made me think like, where does True Love, um, get overcome by the time that you're with somebody?'cause like Jack, and and Rebecca are with each other for. 20 ish years, probably before they have kids, something like that. and is probably with Miguel for longer or very similar amount of time. If you're with somebody for longer, does that, is that the person that you should be with? Like if we're talking about afterlife or saying that there is an afterlife and there's somebody that you're supposed to be with, when you somebody young and you find somebody else new? Who should you end up with at the end? And it's an interesting question that this show takes on. I also love the fact that Kevin decides to reach out to Miguel's kid, and Miguel gets to connect with. With, with his child. Again, that's a fantastic story element. There's a lot of interesting questions that they do with Miguel that really broaden the impact the show has on you. And part of the reason that I said you should watch the episode where Miguel dies is because they do it so beautifully and they ask a lot of these questions. It was a really great comment and I wanted to mention it. What did you think, Josh? You looked like you had thoughts.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:I cannot really speak to it honestly'cause I haven't seen half of the show or a little less than half of the show. Uh, all I can say is I never liked Miguel. I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:why not?
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Uh, he was always the person who was anti Jack. He was Jack's friend, but anytime Jack wanted to do something, Miguel was the one to say, no, don't do that. Like Jack wanted to start his own company, and Miguel says, oh, don't do that. That's too big a risk. Jack wants to do this, and Jack wants to do that, and Miguel is just there saying like, oh, it's not a good idea. Now, sometimes that's to his benefit, right? Like Jack's talking about robbing a place and Miguel's like that's not a good idea,
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:right? But Miguel's always the person who says no and is never supportive to Jack from what I've seen. And then. Even when Miguel is married and Jack is married, you can tell he thinks very highly of Rebecca, and then when Jack Jes, Miguel is, goes after Rebecca. So it really feels like a scummy thing to do and a fake friend to me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Interesting. From your point of view, I could understand where you're coming from. Later on in the show, there's a scene that I really love where, um, Jack is trying to propose and dad comes in and Rebecca's dad doesn't approve of Jack at all. He's this rich kind of guy who thinks that
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:better, he has this moment where Jack doesn't really know what to say as he's trying to propose. And Miguel stands up for him and says, look, your son loves her. He is a good man. All these different things he like, he really stands up for, multiple different times where Miguel helps Jack to be able to even get Rebecca, like Rebecca doesn't happen without Miguel continually supporting him over and over and over again. And the relationship didn't feel like, didn't feel like Miguel was trying to swoop in and get her. It felt like, oh, these guys are really good friends. It's kind of a weird situation. They keep being good friends. They try going on dates with other people. All those dates kind of suck because they're not as fun as just hanging out with each other. And even though you have this big shadow of Jack weighing over both of them, it still blossoms into something natural and something good. I thought it was very, very well done actually.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:That's probably true. I, I, I take your word for it. I'm not saying it's not true. What I am saying is from what I've seen, he's not a good friend and Jack is a good friend. It feels scummy when Miguel walks in the door and in my mind, there are no acceptable circumstances for that to happen. Like there's, there's just not, there's no person in my life that I would call a brother a best friend, whatever you wanna call it. Whatever happens to him, I am not getting with his ex. That's, that's just not acceptable. It's not.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:it's the bro code thing. I was 100% with you. And I thought there was, that's the greatest piece of writing in the show because I absolutely, when they walked in, I was like, there's no way they can pull this off. There's, it's bullshit. Nope. Not not buying it. Nope. But I, I bought it by the end.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Okay. I, I buy it too, right? Like, I believe that could happen.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:my question is, is it okay? Is it ethically. Okay. And to me, no, it's not ethically okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:My problem with the show mostly is when they try to force their ideas down your throat. And something I liked about the Miguel relationship is they never did that. They like tried to show you why this developed and they tried to tell a story of the characters and had the characters work together, but they never say, this is right, this is good. They say is. And it's the way that the story put together, and I think it's one of the better pieces of writing within the show, actually.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Well, I'm glad you liked it. I'm glad you thought it was good. I don't think it's good. I think it's
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:fair enough.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:fine. I mean, in terms of the questions you asked, just to shift gears a little bit,
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:uh. Time doesn't matter. That is non, that's a non-factor to me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Uh, simply I believe in just different kinds of love. Like I do believe that, uh, Miguel and Rebecca Love each other. I. But I don't believe that it would be called true love. I don't believe that they would be soulmates. Right. If we take it out of, this Is Us and we speak more to something I am familiar with is how I Met your mother and we've disagreed on the ending, but it, my liking of the ending has a lot to do with. The idea of true love and soulmates, and I believe that Ted's true love and soulmate is Robin. And Tracy's true love and soulmate is her ex-boyfriend. But the timing wasn't right. So Ted and Tracy, they absolutely loved each other. They built a family together. They absolutely loved each other. They probably have houses next door up in heaven when they all die. But Tracy is gonna be with her boyfriend guy,
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:and Ted is gonna be with Robin. And there's nothing wrong with that. I just think that like. That's how I view it. And I think that's adamant. That's even if you take away the TED side of it and you look at the way that Tracy talked about her ex-boyfriend and the way she talks about Ted, even though that is just like one season, it's different. There's more reference, reverence and respect when talking about her ex-boyfriend. And yeah, he's dead. So that can add to that emotional level to it. But even though. Tracy was, wasn't with that boyfriend for as long as she was with Ted before she died. She still went up into heaven and met him and was with him. And Ted finally got to the point where he was ready to, and Robin was ready to actually be each other's soulmate and and true love. So that's my perspective. I don't. Like I, I do believe that almost any two people can love each other. Right. It's just so rare to have that true love soulmate level connection and who time with an other person won't matter for that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:It's something deeper than that.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Yeah. It's, it's more than just the time spent. And you can't really quantify it. You can't be like, oh, well he was more romantic, or they were just so much more each other's best friends or whatever. Like it's not something you can see. It's just something that those two people, no,
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:I love that. I love that. All right, let's go to our first actual official topic. Um, of my favorite war movies. What did you think about, was this your first time watching it?
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:this was my first time watching it. So I watched Torah, Torah, Torah. After having spent some time at Pearl Harbor. I was inspired to watch more movies, get more information, all of the things above.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Um, my one comment I put down here is it is both refreshing and frustrating to see a Japanese bias take on the events. Um. Being in America, we get the American bias all the time, and this is a long movie and it's very Japanese bias, but I do feel like they do more in terms of building up the event rather than just having the event take place. Yeah. And there are moments where they try to take an American side or perspective, though it's never really fully there. Um, it, it's very interesting to me to see that their perspective is to change our, um, inadequacies and our stupidity like. As an American, we made many mistakes leading up to Pearl Harbor and we were incompetent. That's the word I was working, working for. They changed our incompetence and I don't see a need to change the incompetence when we already were incompetent. Like I, I don't see the necessity to say they were incompetent this way, when in reality we were incompetent this way. If that makes any kind of sense.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yes.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:so as an American, I was very frustrated with that.'cause I was like, I get it. You're trying to say that we were dumb and we made mistakes, but in certain areas you just changed our incompetence. And in aspects on the Japanese side, they completely changed their incompetence like. They made their incompetence competence, and that is just wild. Um, and then they over exaggerated our incompetence other ways. Um, so that was very frustrating for me as a viewer and a historian, historical lover. Um, for a person who loves history. Pros. It was very interesting to see the mentality difference of the commanders during the war. I think that was actually represented fairly well, where on the commander's side, neither Japanese nor American wanted to fight, get into a fight. But the Japanese felt it was necessary and the American soldiers were eager for it, right? They were fighting for a chance to go out and fight some Japanese, um, specifically because this was before the war started, so there was no draft. It was all people who signed up for the war, eager, anticipating for it to happen, trained and ready to go out. Um, so that was. That was very refreshing and a, and a very cool aspect. Um, I loved them trying to show both sides, even though the bias was very apparent there. Um, it was very frustrating when they showed us crashing into our own planes trying to take off. That didn't happen. We weren't incompetent in that way. They only showed two fighters taking off. We had more than two fighters take off. Uh, I counted it. They showed two of their planes or three of their planes getting shot down, uh, with our very few fighters in the air. We took down dozens of airplanes. Um, so yeah, it was, it's very different. It's very interesting. It's very cool. It's also very long. Um. Another thing I found very interesting on why they changed is we had the radar system, right? And they said, Hey, don't worry about it. When in reality the radar system was such new technology, the uh, American command just didn't trust it. They thought it was a toy, a project, nothing really to trust.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Interesting.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Yeah. Uh, so that's why it was brushed under the rug. It wasn't because of Oh, well, whatever. Ignore it. Maybe it's the bombers coming in. No, they called it in. They were like, Hey, there's a ton of fighters coming in. Uh. Just a toy, whatever, ignore it. Right? And then when it persisted they said, well, maybe it's the bomber squadron coming in. And they were like, Nope, that doesn't make sense either we can see more markers than the bomber squadrons coming in. And they were like, nah. It's like, I admit, we were incompetent. We had the information, we could have been prepared. That is incompetence. I don't know why you decided to change the incompetence. To what they changed it to. Um, I wish they would've shown the American perspective leading up to it a little bit better. Um, specifically because in November we had a attack warning because the Japanese had actually said, we will attack if we don't come to an agreement. So all through November they were on. Watch. They were preparing for an attack and they predicted on, like they said at the movie November 28th, that there was going to be attack when there wasn't, and when negotiations started between Japan and America, again, they pulled the attack warning down. And they put most of their soldiers on leave, which is why Pearl Harbor was so devastating, is because a bunch of ships came in and they were on leave. You had all your na, all your sailors relaxing on the ship and doing fun things and you know, enjoying their rec time and not just. Playing some instruments because it was early in the morning like they depicted in the show. Um, but you know, they did what they did and it's, it's very well made. It's very interesting. It's very cool. Like I said, it's very Japanese biased, which is, like I said, refreshing, but frustrating. And for me, on the Japanese side, the frustrating thing was they are. Painting their commanders to have been right all along when they just weren't. So when talking about aircraft carriers versus battleships, pre-World War II battleships were thought to have been the main element of a Navy, and there were very few people who thought it was aircraft carriers. And in the movie they, their commanders always knew it was aircraft carriers. They just didn't know where they were, when in reality, their intelligence is shown. They knew where three outta the four were. One of them was just outside of Pearl Harbor, and their commander said, no, hit the battleships, but in the movie, their commander knew it was. Aircraft carriers all along. They just didn't know where the aircraft carrier had gone. They just, they had no idea.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:it.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:yeah. So we just have to hit the battleships.'cause we didn't know you. It was common belief in Japan that battleships were the difference maker. They intentionally chose to hit their battle, the, the battleships. And following Pearl Harbor, that commander was relieved of duty. Because the commander below him was the person who was saying, you should be hitting their aircraft carriers. Look, their aircraft carriers are out in the middle of nowhere. We can literally hit them. They're undefended.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Cool.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:So.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:I, so my grandpa was in World War ii, and there was a moment where I wanted to understand more about what he went through. So I watched like everything I could possibly get my hands on for Pearl Harbor World War ii, anything for a couple months, and I came across this movie. And it was one of the movies that really expanded the way that I thought, because it does have that refreshing take where it is more Japanese focused. And I had my entire life, just United States side. United States side, United States side. Bias, bias. Bias. And it was a, it was a mo, it was a movie that expanded the way that I thought about the world, about good versus evil, about. War in general. And then I came across great with the fireflies, kind of did the same thing for me. It shows the people that are left over after the bombs in Japan. Um, both absolutely great movies in my opinion. And so this movie is one of my favorites because of the fact that it expanded the way that I thought about things. But I understand why it would be frustrating to you when they have these things where you're like, you almost had it. You almost had. A really, really great movie, but you just shifted things just a little bit and why did you make those shifts?'cause those shifts don't make sense. would be frustrating.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Oh, I mean, they make sense. If I didn't know history and I watched the things unfold, I would be like, wow, America's really stupid, but it makes sense.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:they would shift those
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Yeah. But knowing history, I'm like, if you would've just shown the truth, you still would've had a great thing. And you still would've shown America's incompetence, right? Like, we knew an attack was coming, we lifted the thing anyway. Uh, we put too many of our sailors on leave. We weren't ready. We treated our technology like it was unreliable, even though it was new technology that had never been disproven, right? There's a reason that they had it there. Uh, you know, you have all these elements of like America screwing up. Right. And if they had just made some different decisions, we would've been way more ready for Pearl Harbor. Uh, there's no necessity to change that. Like the truth is still damning in terms of how stupid we were.'cause we were stupid. Right. In terms of American tragedy, every single time it's, it's down to American incompetence, right? Nine 11. Did we know that they were in America? Yes. Did we know that they were terrorists? Yes.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yes.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:they know they had a plan that had to do with planes? Yes. Why didn't we stop it from happening? Well, because the NSA did not tell the FBI that that was happening. That was it. Just a communication error, and we had nine 11. Then you have Pearl Harbor. If we had trusted the radar, if we had trusted our spotters, if we had trusted the intel that we were gathering from their, their communications, would we have been prepared for Pearl Harbor and possibly not been demolished? Likely? Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:What do you think about the whole FDR wanted Pearl Harbor to happen and was actively doing things to have Pearl Harbor happen, so we would be brought into the war theory.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:That's a stupid theory.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:just like saying Bush wanted nine 11 to happen.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:The weirdest thing with nine 11 is the guy who owns the, both the buildings took airplane insurance out on the buildings the day before nine 11 happened. That's weird as hell. That's weird.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:It is weird, right? You can say that there's a lot of things, but like do coincidences happen?
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yeah, absolutely.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Yes, they do.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:11, the FDR thing is there. There's a lot of evidence I.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:There's more evidence about push and nine 11 than there is about FDR. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:like FDR, like you would have to be insane to want World War ii. Like I know we had gotten to this point where we were expecting to be drawn into World War ii and yes, the administration was kind of just waiting for an excuse.
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:And it like needed to happen because Hitler and Japan were getting very, very, they were increasing in strength continually.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:Well, it's, it's more than that. It was more like the higher ups knew we were gonna have to get involved in World War ii, like our Congress, our senators, the president, we all knew this was gonna happen. Yeah, but the people were sick of were still sick of World War I and they didn't wanna be dragged into another World War. Like the crazy thing that's been, like the realization for me over the last five years of my life has been realizing how close together World War I and World War II actually were
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yeah, it's crazy.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:like 1912 to 1941 for America. Right. We came late to both of those. You're talking about 30 years. That's a fully grown adult, right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:Yep.
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:There were people who fought in both World Wars, which is just mind blowing because as a historian, you look at all the different technological differences and like how different the wars were,
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:It's um,
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:and you go there. Those were so far apart. It was ridiculous, but at the same time. You also start to understand, well, it makes sense on why France was ready for another World War I and they were building trenches instead of tanks, morons. Um, but at the same time you go, I kind of get it now. You know? And like, just like connecting how close that they were and how fresh that memory was and like how much people in America didn't want to get involved. Makes sense, right? They had sons and brothers and uncles who went and were gassed and killed in
konlin-gappmayer_1_05-28-2025_165211:And
josh-dietrich_1_05-28-2025_125213:droves in a not pointless war, but like an, we really didn't need to be that involved in it. Right? And we got dragged into this European conflict and things escalated for sure, but. It makes sense on why that was so fresh, but like, yes, the administration of America knew we needed to get involved in World War II and wanted to get involved in World War ii. IE Hitler's expanding. Japan is expanding. We have all these powers who are growing bigger and bigger and bigger and stronger. Russia's getting bigger and stronger. Uh. Mass casualties and they're on Britain's doorsteps and we're losing allies. Yes, but the idea that our president knowingly let Pearl Harbor happen as an excuse is just crazy. Yes, there's a lot of coincidences, like the fact that we pulled our aircraft carrier out of Pearl Harbor a week before Pearl Harbor.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:And yes, we were wanting the people to get behind the idea of the war, but like Pearl Harbor was tragic in a way that you wouldn't just let that happen. And the idea of being allies and working with the Japanese wasn't dead yet.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, I thought it was pretty much completely dead at that point.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:No, like America was pushing for Japanese, working with the Japanese, Jap, the Japanese were work, trying to work with America. They bought like 75% of their fuel from us,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:right? It just came down to the point where attacking us was their only option. Right. We were saying, Hey, you're done. You can't be doing all of this mass murdering, uh, non king rape and attack like that is, you're done with that. We're not selling you fuel anymore if that's how you're gonna conduct yourself. So it was basically like Japan saying, if you're not gonna sell us fuel, we have to take it from the Philippines. And the only way we're gonna take it from the Philippines is if we attack Pearl Harbor Fi fast and out of nowhere, because if America's prepared for it, they're just gonna be able to defend it and we won't have that fuel reserves that we need for our war on China. Now the stuff like it would be way more believable for me. If we, there was an excuse to go into Europe, not Japan.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Right. If they had said like German, whatever UBO spotted off of, out of New York, sunk some ships. Right. That to me seems like something you would let happen or stage to have happened. As an excuse because that's where you wanted to fight, right? That's where you wanted To get involved. Hope with Japan was still alive and well, even on the day of Pearl Harbor, right? It's shown into our to that Japan was planning on making an ultimatum, and if United States had agreed to it. They would've backed out of Pearl Harbor, but for whatever reason, I don't think it was the typewriter like it's shown in the movie, but for whatever reason, the ultimatum wasn't actually delivered until after Pearl Harbor. So it's like, I, I don't, I don't think you would've let Pearl Harbor happen. And like if you did, that would've been not even like that, but like strategically, that's also the dumbest thing you can do because what's between Pearl Harbor and American mainland soil?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Nothing. That's the point.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I see what you're
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:If you let Pearl Harbor go. If you let it get attacked and destroyed. Japan is on American soil. They are on American mainland. They are attacking the coast of California. Like Hawaii is such a strategic importance to the Pacific. That it would be insane for anybody even at that day and time, especially at that day and time when you couldn't launch a nuke across the Pacific, but like to be like, oh yeah, that's just our closest and most important base of the time, so we're gonna let it get destroyed just so that we can get into this war.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Seems fishy at the very
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. Yeah. So I very much doubt that. Fan that, uh, conspiracy theory,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:it's an interesting one, as are a lot of the conspiracy theories. I just don't buy that they would let it happen or make it happen because of all of those things.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:It's just too much you. That makes sense. That makes sense. All right, let's go to our next one. Oh, before we move forward, what did you rate Tor Torah?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh, it's like a seven out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It's still pretty good. Like it could be an eight outta 10 if it wasn't so long, or it wasn't so frustrating,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:but like the refreshing ness of it to see Japanese side of things. Was very good. Uh, I, I absolutely loved seeing like the way they praised their pilots, so they showed whatever his name is and everybody just loves him. But the Japanese have that mentality of like where America would've taken that pilot and had him train more pilots to make our pilots better. They instead put that pilot on the front lines and then eventually say, don't come back unless you've won. So it like that is another very interesting aspect of, of this movie. There's a lot of really good things. Is just long.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:a couple things that bring you down and it's just
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It's just long. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. I would give it, I would give it an eight. I really love this movie, but I would give it an eight. Anyway, let's go to my next one. Nonas, um, very, very different movie from Tor to Torah. is a movie about a guy who wants to start a restaurant with a bunch of grandmothers and have their home cooking Italian food, and it's based on a true story. The restaurant still runs today, which I think is awesome, I just enjoyed the movie. I don't think it's an amazing movie. It's not. shattering or whatever, but all the performances are pretty solid. dialogue is pretty good. The Nonas are funny. They're uh, they're really enjoyable and you have a heartfelt connection with them. There's this moment where one of them is like, we're too old. No one cares about us'cause the restaurant is, is struggling and we're just too old. Nobody gives a crap about us. The world's passed spy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. um. You're just like, no, they, they, they care about you. They, you matter. You. He's doing this because you matter. wanting to create this business because you matter. And the people that are around this business think that all he's doing is using these, these grandmas as a gimmick and that he doesn't really care about them. That he's basically using them as like marketing, labor, that kind of stuff. And he has this dream of being able to take care of grandma's like. Like his, like his, like his donut. And I, it's just so heartfelt. It's so warming. I, I like the little relationship that's in it. It's not so dug into the relationship that it takes away from the actual movie of we're building this restaurant. All the struggles that come with building that restaurant. The struggles don't overbear the lightness of the movie and just this good balance overall. And I think it's, I think it's one that you would like. it's a very enjoyable movie. It's just, it's just good. I don't have a ton to say about it, but it's just good. If you
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:What do you read it,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:it's worth your time. I like a 7.2. I think it's just above like a, I watched that once and it was sob.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:watch this again, like solid, enjoyable movie. For real.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah. If y'all haven't seen it yet, give it a shot. Okay. With that, let's go to our next topic, which is actually an unplanned shared topic. until Dawn, what did you think?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, I think I'm pretty positive about this movie. I don't have high expectations after the reviews. I was very excited when this movie got, uh, announced because I think it's a slam dunk idea and I still do. I.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:The fact that they didn't make it is crazy. But once you get past the fact that they didn't actually make until dawn the movie, I think? you've actually got a really solid horror flick. Um, it does just enough to the point where you start to get sick of it or start to get prepared for it, and then it just kind of like skips along and moves on to the next part. And I love that. So many horror films get tied up in like trying to scare you too many times and trying to jump scare you too many times that you're like, Okay. I know I'm ready for it. This isn't scary anymore. And in the movie they even address that. They literally say, well, we'll just be ready for it when it just keeps happening. Um. My criticisms are, there's a little bit too much ambiguity to it. Um, specifically when the main girl and the Dr. Guy is talking and he's like, this is all because of you. That doesn't make any real sense. Like, how is that working? I. don't know. Uh, but when this was announced, you raised questions about how well it could be made because it's a. TV adapt or movie adaptation of a game.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:And you called out the time element for it
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:and I said, well, if they use it, kind of Like somebody trying to save scum and try and save all the people, I think that. could be really cool. And how was it used? It was a time element that they were taking advantage of to try and save everyone and. I thought that was really cool. I loved the time loop element of it. I thought everybody did a good job acting in it. Like, yeah, the characters aren't super deep or in depth characters, but they're not in the game either. Like insert generic jock. You have, what's his bucket insert? Generic cheerleader. You have what's her bucket and. So I really wasn't expecting all of these in-depth characters. I watched a couple of reviews of people giving it fours and fives and sixes out of 10,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:that was their criticism. They were like, it's not like the game at all. It's nothing like the game. Uh, these characters are super generic and only paper thin. They, none of them have any depth. They deliver the cheesiest lines. And I'm sitting here like, if this movie wasn't called until Dawn
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:and you went and saw you would've walked out of it, calling it an eight out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't think it'd be that high, but it would've been higher for sure.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Well, I, I, I think people would land between a seven and an eight on it and be like, it has a cool time element. It's a fun little like group movie watch. Right. It's not like a sit on the couch with your significant other and cuddle'cause it's just so scary. But you know, it's a fun horror movie. I think a lot of people would land between a seven and an eight, right? Some people would give it an eight and I wouldn't be mad at'em for it. Some people would give it a seven and I wouldn't be mad at'em for it. A lot of people would call it cheesy and dumb, and that's fine too, but like, yeah, if you're expecting an actual horror film, this is not your movie. If you're expecting until Dawn, the movie, this is not your movie.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:no
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:If you're wanting a fun horror film, which I think this is the best one.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:at at all, like.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. like. what's a better, fun horror movie than this one?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Um, oh, uh, happy birthday.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay. I haven't seen it, but the one I watched, the one that comes to mind for me is like the ring. Right? That's one that I watched in middle school when I was trying to flirt with a girl. With a group of friends, right? And like, would I rather watch the ring? Or until dawn, now the ring is aged and so you kind of have to take that into account. And I actually think that they're pretty close, but like
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I would pick
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:ring.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:would 50% of the time pick the ring. and 50% of the time. Or 49% of the time pick the ring and 51% of the time pick until Don.'cause I, I just enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. I thought it was good and all I could think the entire time was I would love to play the game again. So mission accomplished for that kind of element of this kind of a movie And I could watch this with a bunch group of people and have a great time and. Mission accomplished. That's where I'm at. 7.5 out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. I think this movie would be better with a group. I think it's a good group movie. I also think it's a good, like, introductory to a horror movie for like a teenager. If you had a kid or a or something. I think this would be a good early horror movie actually. Um, I like the first part of this movie quite a bit. I thought the first part with The Kills were, were satisfying and it very much feels like. Haunted house. The movie, like going through a haunted house is how it feels to me, is not a bad thing. That's an enjoyable, fun time. I like the way they do the time loop. I like the safe cuming aspect of it. The characters are all fine. I don't think anyone's very good in this, but they're not terrible. Do you care about any of them at all? No,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay, I'll fight you on that one.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't care about any of these characters.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:You care a little bit about the main girl. Not a ton, but a little bit.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:And you absolutely hate the boyfriend.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't like the boyfriend. That is true. That is true. So I guess there's a care in a negative way towards the
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't care about these characters.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:absolutely.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:to me, most of the part that I don't think is great is the end of this movie. Like. Why is it all her? That doesn't make any kind of sense. I was, I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Agreed.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:in the mental hospital part. Like I actually didn't understand what was going on. It felt very sloppy and convoluted.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh, I didn't feel like it was sloppy. Yes, it was convoluted her making the like, it's all because of your nightmares was complete.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:garbage.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:like that doesn't make any sense, but the explanation itself wasn't sloppy. Right. If you accept that premise, it all makes sense.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I thought the direction of the whole mental hospital scene, like kind of the whole thing was, was a little sloppy, that
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:section. Um, it wasn't even just that explanation, just the direction of that part of the movie. I. But that doesn't mean that the entire package is bad because that one part is kind of like, eh. and I wish this is somewhere where I'm connecting it to the, the original game. I like the idea of wingos becoming cannibals and the eat the flesh of people. And that's what turns them into these window goes, which is the idea in the game. They follow that mythology. In this one they have it. You didn't escape the time loop, so you're starting to turn into wingos, which I don't like as much. I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That's not true at all.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That's what I took from the movie.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That did not say that at all.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:their skin is starting to pop off and they're becoming those win window creatures. That is absolutely how I took this movie.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:They did not say that in any sense of the word. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:window ghost come from in this, because that's
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:so in that mad part that you're explaining the psychological part, he, the Dr. Guy, uh, was testing the effects of cannibalism on the one guy.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Which eventually turned him into a wingo.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:So why are they turning into different creatures as they're not surviving these time loops?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:So because they turn into Right. Become or escape or become part of it,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Um, because You don't just have a wingo, right? You have the other creatures. right? So you have your psychic who's gonna become a witch. Uh, the only one who shows signs of turning into a wingo is the boyfriend guy. Right? And yeah, he wasn't cannibal, but he's like becoming part of it. I agree. It's dumb. But they did follow that traditional line where the first wingo came from the psychologist doing the experiments on cannibalism.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Which I, they did do that, but I was thinking more that they were becoming these monsters, which was wingos as they didn't survive the knight coming over and over again, which I, I guess I could be wrong on that. Which makes it a little bit better, but if they are all becoming window ghosts, I kind of think that's dumb.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I didn't take it that way at all. I took it as the boyfriend was becoming the window go and. I'm not mad at that either because if one of those people was to be a cannibal, which one would it be? It would be him.'cause he is a dirt bag like that.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:that's true, but like, still not the best. not terrible. Not terrible, but not great. and then the end just felt very unsatisfying to me and for me, it made it like a, the first half of the movie I would give you that seven and a half, even my first two thirds, the last half drops it a little bit for me towards like a 6.5. Decent enough time. I would have a fun time with a group with this movie, but I don't think it's great. Does it deserve a four? No, it doesn't deserve a four. It's not. It's not that low of a movie. It's entertaining enough.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Right. Um, I actually agree with you on that right? The la, the latter half of it is really not as great, but I give it a pass because they called themselves out on it. And like I said, they don't show all of the deaths. They have the scene where they're looking at the videos on the phone and they were like, oh, this happened a bunch of other times.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:You know? So that's why I'm like, yeah, it wasn't the best part, but they acknowledged it wasn't the best part and they just kind of like skipped to the explanation and solve.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:and solve. Done.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Right. So, and I was like, yeah. It's not the best explanation, having it all based on That one person's subconscious nightmares. Tell me the subconscious nightmare that told you. That drinking water was gonna make you spontaneously combust. Not on my bingo card for this movie, by the way.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Nope. That
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That was just.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:part of the movie. I loved that part.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It was very, very good. I thought the first killer showing up was the best.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Whew.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Um, but yeah, so like they acknowledge it. They were like, it's kinda like they felt like they didn't really have the, if you were to divide it into fifths, they didn't have like the fourth section really figured out. So they were like, yeah, let's just. Skip that and go to the end. We're just gonna like run over it And be like, yeah, we don't really have that figured out, so we're just gonna like tumble on to the next part And it's like, I respect you for it. And it, like I said, at the end of it I give it, you know, like 6.5 is probably fair for the movie, but when I add onto the fact that like, Hey, watching this with a group would be. fun. Half a point there and hey, it made me want to play until Don again. Half a point there still 7.5.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Fair enough. Fair enough. Um, it made me wanna play until dawn two because until dawn is better.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It is way better. Absolutely. But the difference is, is you can watch this in an hour and a half with a group of friends, and until dawn takes like four hours. It's not a super long game, but
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:But
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:it's still
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:lot
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:longer. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:But it's so good until Dawn is so
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. It's great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:that is our review of Until Dawn. Let's go to our, uh, next chair topic. We can just go down to episode per episode just tell our thoughts, but we're gonna do Love, death, and Robot season four. I, uh, I'm an obsessed, I'm obsessed with the show. I love the show. I actually really enjoyed the season a lot. So you got the first episode, which is one of my least favorite of the, of the season was weird. But you have red hot chili peppers and they basically just do a concert where they're puppets. And the entire time I was waiting for some like dark death and robots kind of twist and it doesn't really happen. It just, they just do a concert and it's like animation is good and it's cool. But
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:it's a real concert.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah. No, that's cool.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Like the scene where, they light them on fire, that's when somebody actually caught their hair on fire,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:oh, wait. Oh, that's cool.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:like it's a real concert That they were animating as puppets.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That is cool. I was hoping that it would go a little bit darker and like where, um, where the guy starts on fire and he, he, he's lighting his, his puppet strings on fire and that would start to light everybody's puppet strings on fire and it would result in like some chaos or something. But it just ended up being a concert and I was like, huh, that's not bad, but it's not great. What did you think about that one?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, I said weird, but entertaining. As for the dark twist, I think the dark thing is that they were puppets. I think it was a commentary on how people are sheep. Uh, but
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:agree.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I. Uh, it was fine. I, I don't really have anything against this episode. It was also the shortest episode in all of them.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:You know, it was only like five minutes and like, alright. I wasn't expecting it. Red Hot Chili Peppers concert was not on my love, death and robots Bingo card.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Not at all.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:and
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:at all.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:you.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:they definitely did have a commentary there. Like you can see the main singer, I don't know his name, but how like. Much worn He is as they're going through the different levels of concerts. In the very end, he is like, I've done this 10,000 times, and you can just see it on the way that he's dancing and the way like he's, he's lower and how the puppet strings aren't just holding him up as much anymore, but he is just doing the same thing over and over again. That I thought was an interesting aspect, but I ended up just being all right.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:It's one I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It's Just all right.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Just all
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It's not the best. It's not the worst though, so you know,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah, it's probably not the worst. Um, okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:not the worst. I think it's season two with the girl in the river, all in gold. That one is the worst love and death in robots episode.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:oh, have a lot of people who disagree with you. A lot of people love that episode.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I hate that episode It is so weird
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:episode.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:is terribly animated and it's, ugh.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:with that.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I 100% agree with that.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I think it's
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:feels so, uh, it's animation. It's terrible.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I think animation good.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I think people call that style, but it's not, it's awful.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I think there's an artistic flare to it. It's not my, it's not my favorite though. What is your thoughts on many kind?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, this one's my favorite episode of the season. It's not my favorite episode of all. Uh, nothing is going to beat the episodes where the robots are touring or earth after everybody's dead and they discover the cats and they do all of those things, there's one per season up until this season. Those ones are the best episodes.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:My favorite episode is the one where they have the monster and the pirate ship. I freaking love that episode.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh, I'm surprised it's not the cop one. it. used to be The cop one.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:The cop one's really cool too,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:is so cool.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:but yeah, of this season, absolutely. My favorite one, it tells a complete story, doesn't have a single line of dialogue. It makes sense. They add some humor into it. Some of it's weird. I don't like the cow part, but other than that one little bit, you, it's just great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I shouldn't like the cow part, but it made me laugh, like a dark, it made me laugh.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That was the one part that I was like, oh, gross.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I was
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Ugh.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't wanna laugh at this.'cause that's disgusting.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:But yeah, I got some laughs in the later parts. And like I said, It's a full, complete story. I love the animation. I love the way it was told. Uh, I love how they made them feel like a mini figure. Like in that opening scene when it's the little car that was driving. I was like, even though it's a car on a Blake Canvas, they still made it feel like a mini figure. And that is amazing, you know? Uh, so great. Uh, that episode's like a nine out of 10 for me. I absolutely love it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Do you like this one better, or the zombie one that they did that was similar to this
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:In this season?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I think it was last season that they
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:one. Similar idea.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:uh, I don't remember. So I'm gonna say this one'cause I love this one.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I like the zombie one a little bit better, but this one was really good. It was really good. That was really good. Um, it made me laugh a lot and that one part shouldn't have made me laugh, but it was funny.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I get that a lot of people would think it was funny,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:the your thing. That's
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That's totally fine. cyborg, this was not my favorite episode. I, I, I don't know. I didn't really get into her story at the very beginning, and then the end is just absolutely bizarre. Like, I don't. Your I don't, I, she, the, the creature finally eats the cyborg lady and then it goes to her master and the master's like, oh, cute. I don't know if it's supposed to be like an alien species that's going to eat his face, but he's the one who gave it to her. It's just a, a weird episode. I didn't love it.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:What are you talking about?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:The, am I mixing up episodes?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:No, I You're definitely not. I just don't get your comment because the face at the end was her face.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Because the creature ate her.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah. It was weird.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Well, the creature changed shapes. They established that, so when I watched this episode, I thought the first half was great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I thought it was such a good establishment of world and characters and dynamics and it was really, really good. Like we're talking about like a 15 minute thing, so seven minutes of it. They established a world you understand, and you get and you're like, that's really cool.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Then it got really weird and kind of stupid. Uh, the dynamic of. The other guy just showing up out of the blue, and then her being like, I have to kill you. And he's like, you've already killed me. How does it feel to not have killed me in the,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Super
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:gosh, I don't care. I would've way rather watched the cyborg chick and the pet, and then if she takes the deal or not, like
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That's it.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I would've loved that, but. They added that end. I was like, that was weird. And so it kind of just like didn't stick the landing. So like my note is, first part was great. What a weird ending because first part was great. They stumbled, added a bunch of stuff, I didn't really care. And then was a weird ending. with the thing eating her and then having her face and then the alien going, what a cute, like, that was weird.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:It was weird. I didn't,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:it was not my favorite episode. I didn't love it that much.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:But the next one I did love, I thought was super cool. Uh, 400 boys was I the animation I thought was awesome. It's also weird, like it's a weird episode, but it's a weird episode that worked for me. The tribal battle thing, I kinda liked, I think the voice acting was incredible in this episode. Um, I think the music was really well done. The animation is great. I like the story, the way that they fought the giant baby things, which even know what those are, but the way that they fought them I thought was super cool. I like the magic. I like the. How they came together to be able to fight it. And the weird way that it connected. I don't have any answers for any of this stuff, but I loved it. I, I loved this episode.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I am glad you did. My comments are boring. cool. art though.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't know why you were bored with that.'cause it was awesome.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Utterly boring.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, straight up epic.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:boring.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:It was literally like you love Godzilla. It was Godzilla babies and they were fighting it with psychic powers. It was freaking awesome.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Boring.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Borg? How is
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It just was boring. I was utterly bored during that episode.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay guys, anybody watching if you've seen that episode? Were you bored?'cause I don't understand how you'd be bored in that episode. I don't get it.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I think the art style was fantastic.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:big Jurassic Godzilla monsters that are the size of houses, kind of movie watching guy, and I thought this was awesome.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I am glad you liked It I did not,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. one of my favorites of the, of the whole entire thing. What did you think of Cat and Robot? I.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:uh, you know, that scene and. Returning to the king when the king is eating and it's the most disgusting thing,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah, it's
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:not the king, the other guy acting as king.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:They did that in animation.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I, uh, it, it, I didn't get that.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It's at the very beginning when the fat people are eating and they just take this giant bite, and I was like, oh. That's like for the king. that was my exact thought.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:bad for
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. I was like, oh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:why did you do that? That was terrible. Uh, it's cool. I guess like it was a love death in robots Average episode to me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. I can agree with that. I like the now my, like the Evil Cats. think they're funny in this series, and I love the Evil Cat in this episode. It just made, it made the whole thing work for me. I really enjoyed it.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, it was just another evil cat to me, but Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah, had a good time. All right. The priest, this one is. I don't, I I kinda wanted to rewatch this before we, we started recording because this one was strange to me and I don't know if I like it. Dolphin Gina of Jesus thing was kind of and they did it pretty well, but I don't know if I like it still. I,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:idea. What'd you think about that?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, I don't, remember any other love, death and robots episodes being live action. So That was my first reaction was I, I don't remember any others. There could be others. I just don't remember any others being live action. Yes, it was. Nope. Those were real people with, that were acting.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't think so. I think that was animated.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:know. So pull it up right now while I'm talking and you're going to know that I am right because those are real people acting. Uh uh, my next comment is Dolphins. Really. Of course it's dolphins because probably, uh, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Uh, whatever. Uh, for it being live action mixed with animation, it looks better than a lot of high, high production stuff that came out today. Uh, little weird, little interesting. I liked it. Uh. It's not my favorite episode. It's not my least favorite episode.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. They did use live action elements. I literally thought they animated that whole thing.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Nope. All of those actors, all of the people are real people.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. I was like, wow, that's really impressive. I really thought it was just all animated. It wasn't like ice age in the season before that. I love that episode where you can like, obviously, obviously that's real and they're animating the inside of the freezer. I thought it was all animated.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yep. Nope. They just did a really good with what they did animate. Like the alien looks great. The water effects look great. Like it's a little weird.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:seems blamelessly it seems without any problem.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah, So, I mean, slightly above average for me, but I'm with you. I don't really know if I like it or not.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I don't know. All right. Uh, Jupiter Dyno race. I thought this was awesome. I. up really cool. Is it one that I'll really watch again? Probably not, but that doesn't mean it wasn't epic it felt very much like Jupiter ascending, if Jupiter ascending was good, but
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:can't speak to that. I haven't seen Jupiter's ascending. I personally would skip this episode. Um. but I could also see it. being someone's favorite
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:in the entire series. Uh, the Wolf animated scenes look so good. That's crazy. Um, the rest of it is just not my thing.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Why wasn't it your thing? I actually thought you'd like this episode a lot. Well, literally when I was watching it, I was like, Josh is going to love this episode.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:You know, uh, diagnosis, like, I think the concept is an interesting one,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:but they didn't really nail it and it was kind of just weird. And then they forced this whole like, love between gener or. Love beyond memories idea, and you're just sitting there like, what the, where the freak did that come from? And then it just kinda ends, you know? Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. So it just didn't feel satisfying in
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:of it really did. Yeah. like a great concept. Interesting concept, total flop on delivery for me.'cause I just, I did not like it and I would skip it going forward. But like, like I said, at the same time, because of the concept and because of the animation quality of this one, I could totally see somebody coming out of it being like, that was the best episode in all of love, death, and robots.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Me too. I can totally see that. All right. World War II Flying Fortress, what'd you think about this one?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, this is my second favorite of the season. It's this one, or it's many kind. I honestly can't pick, but I love it. I thought the art style was very cool. I love the World War ii. Why is Nazis resurrecting demons such a like common? Idea that people explore. I don't know, but it's cool. Uh, they did a great job with it. I love the message of this one. Uh, it's, I've got no complaints, none. It's just great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:It would be either 400 boys or this one for me too. I thought this one was awesome. The animation is cool. The monster is The, uh, horror of it like flying around the cabin, they did a really good job of putting you in that cabin and making you feel that whore Great. The music was well done. The very ending feels it, it actually feels satisfying with this one.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Mm-hmm.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:a complete little story. I, I thought it was fantastic.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah, it was, and like I said, I, the art style they took on, it was just perfect too.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I, I loved it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:completely. I. Then we have smart tech. I see your notes for this one. I cannot disagree with you more. I thought this one was hilarious. Especially the toothbrush. Toothbrush was so funny. Just calling out his shit for not actually ever brushing his teeth. I just, I don't know. It was so down to earth and so, so clever and just,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That was not clever. it was not at all clever.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:so good. I love, I loved this episode. I don't
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:say skip it. I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:cause it's boring and dumb and
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:was
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:it's irritated. Like, okay, so there is a meme before there was memes
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:and it's a toothbrush that says, I have The worst job in the world. And some toilet paper that says, yeah. Right, right. That's funny.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:so funny.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:This one, it feels like they took a group of guys and they all ate 50 brownies. And then they were like, Hey man, you know what'd be funny if your toothbrush said this? And then they animated it. And then wouldn't it be funny. if your scale said this? It's the same writing that gave you Ted. That's how I view it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, you thought it was that bad?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh no, dude. It's so much better. That
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Nope. Not clever at all. It's so super baseline, like,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, I love the toothbrush thing. I loved the fighting over the thermostat, and then the thermostat is like, just watch this. I freeze them. I thought that was good. I thought I, I really thought it was great.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:uh, just, uh, I would completely skip this one. I thought it was bad. Like I said, the writing felt like stupid Ted humor. So if you like Ted, this is probably gonna be your favorite episode.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:but I had a good time with this episode. I was short enough, like if it would've gone much longer, would it have been enjoyable? Probably not, but it's a short, little funny thing. You get a laugh sometimes and then you move on to the next episode, and I thought it was great.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Uh, I was sick of it the first time they told the joke.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:If that is
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:The thermostat was the first one and the first one I was like, okay. And the second one was the toothbrush. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm tired of this. And then they went on and told like five more jokes,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:and he didn't like any of them,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:any of them. They all sucked.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:that is too bad. That is too bad. Let's go to our last one. What did you think about that one?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I wrote, skip it again.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. Why'd you think? Skip that one.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I was utterly bored. I don't remember anything about it,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:like it was a cat and a wizard, and that's all I really know. And just skip it.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:so there's the devil and the devil is trying to get this poet to write a poem. For some reason, I don't really know why, thought the devil was well done. And I like the aspects of cat mythology with Egyptian mythology and coming from the heavens and being divine creatures that can protect their master from evil forces. I liked all of that aspect, but you have this mythology of these evil cats that has done really, really well throughout this series. And then you have this where you have another cat talking, and yes, he thinks he's all pompous and he thinks that he is the greatest thing in the world, and he. Thinks that he, he acts like a cat, but it doesn't match with the rest of the series very well. So while I actually think the episode is, is pretty, pretty decent, I think it's a pretty decent episode. It doesn't fit into love, death, and robots very well in any way, shape or form. And I think it would be better to remove this episode from this series in particular, if that makes sense.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It does
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah. But.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:accurate.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Like the, the powers that they do with the cat were interesting. I think the devil's really well done. I like the part at the end where you have the main cat who is sneaking in the shadows and can turn invisible and he is just hunting mice after beating the devil, he just goes back to a normal cat thing to do. I thought that was clever. aspects. It just doesn't fit in the series very well.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Okay, so what did you think of the season as a whole?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I really enjoyed this season overall. Um. Probably 7.5 ish, maybe even a little higher. I like, I like this season. That was good. Really, there haven't been any seasons of this show that I haven't enjoyed. What'd you think?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I think this is the worst season as a whole. Uh, I think for the majority of left death and robots, they have largely good episodes with one or two that aren't my favorite.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:there's one episode that I absolutely dislike and it's still my least favorite episode, which is the Girl in the River.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Um, this one feels like just the opposite. It feels like. A lot of meh with just a couple of shining through in the minis and the uh, world War II Flying Fortress episode,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That's about it.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:but That's about it. So for me, season four is like a six outta 10, and the rest are like pretty close to an eight out of tens.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. Fair enough. you have a favorite season? Can you name off the top of your head?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Not off the top of my head, but uh, I do believe That the cop episode and my favorite Robots Touring Earth episode are both in the same season. I wanna say it's two,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I do too.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:but I cannot commit to that.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:good.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:It is so good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:favorite, the pirate one and the co episode. I love both those
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Pirate one is great. Like I said, I love the robots touring Earth and just making smart eye comments about like, you know, history if it was kind of forgotten. So they know some things, but not everything. I absolutely love that and think it's great. And so
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Fantastic. I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:episodes are my favorite.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:would've gotten one of those episodes this season.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Like I said, I think one, two, and three each have one of those episodes,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:They
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:so.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:And this one, I mean, we have the cat and the robot, which is like a prequel and that's what's supposed to be taking that space. But I still would've enjoyed one episode with the robots,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:with the, with the robots that we've seen before,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:but pretty solid overall. I am glad that I got to watch it. I'm excited for season five. Whenever they came out, we come out with it. be good.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:How does this, compare to the Amazon show?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Ooh.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Which one do you like better? What is that Amazon show called?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I liked this season of the Amazon show a little bit better than this.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:What about as a whole?
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Oh, as a whole, love, death and robots is better. Absolutely. There is. They don't have none of those episodes. As good as some of them were. Anything compared to the COP episode, the pirate episode, any of those, um, robot epi, none of them are that good.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Fair enough,
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:What do
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:fair enough. Uh, I actually really love secret level. I figured it out. Secret level. I actually really, really love. And the only thing that takes secret level down for me is the fact that they had a slam dunk idea and just chose not to do it. Or because Xbox said No, come on.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Yeah, episode had the chance to be that level of an episode, but I
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah, but they didn't do it. But I think all the other episodes are all still really good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:I agree.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:And like those make me love games, or think about games I don't always think about too. And so it's all really close. I'm gonna give it secret level simply because of how down I thought this season was.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah. Uh, if love, death, and robots one through three is clearly better than secret level, but this is really, really down for me.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay. That's too bad. That's too bad.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:I mean, I still got two episodes I still really, really liked, but
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:do any of the secret level episodes hit the highs of the best love, death and robots to you?
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:uh, off the top of my head, I'm gonna have to say no because I simply cannot name specific episodes of secret level.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Okay.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:But I do remember the failing of. Watching secret level and being like, oh, I remember that game. Oh my gosh, that was so cool. Oh yeah. Unreal tournament. with the robots. That was freaking awesome.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That one's my favorite
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh, it's great.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:that's made.'cause I, I love, I do love that episode. I love
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Well, I think the problem with secret level is there's a lot of those games that they're representing that I simply haven't played or even kind of known existed. I think That's where it, the hard part of secret level comes in. but
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:That's true, there's, there's also some great episodes, like the, uh, Pacman episode is super cool.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Oh yeah. I loved The, Pac nine episode. That one was my favorite episode.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:it's
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:That was very good.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:and Dragons episode is really good. are kind of the ones that I remember,
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:those ones were great. Oh, the War Hammer one was really good. Yeah.
josh-dietrich_2_05-28-2025_132212:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_2_05-28-2025_172210:Like a set there. Well guys, that is our episode. We appreciate you watching, like, subscribe, leave us comments, we'll read, we will read'em. We love reading your comments actually. Um, we appreciate you watching. Have a good one. See you guys. Bye.
