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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Tales of the Underworld
Tales of the Underworld
News & Comments, Yellowstone Season 1, Star Citizen, Tales of the underworld
00:00 - News & Comments
13:26 - Yellowstone Season 1
25:57 - Star Citizen
32:03 - Tales of the Underworld
Hey everybody. This is Onscreen offscreen show where we like to talk about our weekly media intake and discuss how it impacts our lives and what's going on. Uh, Conlin, looks like you've got some news for us. Why don't you go ahead and get started with that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:First, I love Joe Aber Abercrombie. He writes great books. They're, uh, they call'em Lord Grim Dark. Um, his books are super. fantasy, but they're super, super dark. Um, he'll write a war book and the entire book is on war and it can last for three days and it is gruesome. James Cameron just bought, writes to his new book I am super excited. He's somebody who hasn't gotten an adaption yet, and I think it would be really cool. I haven't read this book yet, but it's a little bit more epic than the stuff that he is done before. And James Cameron could do a good job.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:If it actually gets made.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:if it actually gets made. It is like a, we don't know. But he bought rights to do it.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:He's a big fan of the book series and he would, he'd do a good job. I think he would do a good job. I hope he
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Um, Matt Denman something that I also thought was really cool. He has been an artist for a really long time and he is done Etsy work and he was struggling for a very, very long time. Um, uh, dungeon Crawler Carl was basically his last book attempt before he was like, yeah, I can't really do this and move on. So because he's getting so much success, he wanted to protect artists from any of the backlash that he's gotten. So made a post and he said, if you're an Etsy artist and you want to do my work, let me know. When bigger studios start getting involved and they start making merchandise for me, I'm gonna make sure they don't bug you. You just need to let me know. no strings attached. You don't have to pay me any money. You create what you want to create. I want to protect you. And I thought that was a really cool thing.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, that is super cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah. It's cool that it came from that world and he decided he wanted to, to help the community out. Like I, I love that.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, and it would be really easy for him to say like, and I want 10%.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Easy, super
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:just a percentage. But he's just like, nah, I just wanna protect you.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:coming along with my journey. Thanks for liking my books. That's, I I love that.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yeah. That is very cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:and then a guy, did, we did an episode last week and don't dunno, dunno, I think is how you say his name. he, I was talking about how. I don't think anyone's gonna be allowed to do these crazy stunts again after Mission Impossible. he brought up Jackie Chan and like, I get it. If Jackie Chan really wanted to go running out a skyscraper again, would they probably let him do it? Yeah. There'd be a lot of people who'd be like, dude, you're 77. Are you sure? But they probably let him. The thing is, Jackie Chan doesn't want to do this stuff anymore. Obviously. He had a movie a couple years ago, it was called The Foreigner. It's actually really good. and he does some great martial arts in the movie, but he doesn't do any of these crazy stunts. He's just old. And I, still think that after Tom Cruise decides that he's done, which maybe is not this movie, maybe he does some more crazy stuff. no one else that has the pull to be able to get past the bureaucratic nonsense. And if you wanna see crazy shit happen, you're gonna have to go to things like Red Bull or. Some dude that just decides to do it online. don't think you're going to have a Hollywood bureaucracy allowing people to do some of the crazy crap that he does, I don't think Jackie Chan is going to choose to do anything like he did when he was ever again,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:What bureaucracy.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:HR organizations that want other thing to be all safe. Uh, safety, which is not a problem. Like I get safety, but. There's a lot of liabilities. Two, doing this kind of crazy stuff. And unless you have an established, unless you, one, pay the money to do it yourself, which could be a possibility. Two, you have the clout to be able to push it through. Or three, you're in a mission impossible movie. You're probably not doing this.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I honestly think that there's a lot less bureaucracy than you think, right? So I think it just takes somebody wanting to do it and a safety team who can figure out how to do it safely. I think that's all it takes. Because like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:so I, I would be interested in looking into this a little bit more.'cause like he almost died, um, in Mission Impossible. I think it's Ghost Protocol, the one where he is on the Dubai Tower. He literally misses the jump and you watch it in the film where he barely like catches the edge and that is real.'cause he almost didn't make it, which
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yes, but he wouldn't have died. He just broke his leg. That's what happened.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:But if he would've actually fallen off of the tower, I,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:He was attached to wires.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I don't think he was attached to
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:He was, you can watch the background video. He's attached to wires.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:test to wires, I would be
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yep.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:about watching more of that and see if. He was attached to something for this plane stunt too.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Oh, he was. He was absolutely attached in. Yeah. No, like
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:that's all it takes. So there's the interview with Matt Damon, where he's talking about Tom Cruise. And Tom Cruise is talking about mission possible three, four, I don't know. The one where he is running on the walls on the outside of the windows and Tom Cruise is like, I've had this idea for a long time. I tell my safety guy, this is what I want to do. He says It's not possible. So I get a new safety guy, right? I just think it for an actor. Or producer of the level to create the, like, you have to be able to finance the tr the, the stunt, obviously. But it just takes an actor going from the mentality of, can I do this to, how do I do this relatively safely? And I do think that there are a number of actors who would take those chances.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I get would take those chances, but there's a different story when you have. Even Henry Caval. Henry CA's a decent sized actor. He is not Tom Cruise, but he has, he's a decent sized actor. There's a difference when Henry Caval says, I'm firing this guy. Make it happen, versus Tom Cruise saying, I'm firing this guy. Make it happen. Those are different weights. There's different, there's
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, because Tom Cruise is a financial impact on his own movies. Henry Val's not. At least not as far as I'm aware. Right? Like I said, you have to have the financial backing of basically producing your own movie.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:If Tom Cruise is the last movie star like he's known as, will anybody else be able to do that? Because your name doesn't sell tickets anymore for anybody except for very, very select few,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Like, uh, like I've said before, I believe in cyclical. So we're gonna go through a phase where Tom Cruise is the last true movie star, because he is the last true person with name recognition and fame like that. And then we're gonna go into this hyper variety of anybody can be anything kind of fandom. And everybody has their own little cults, but there's no true quote unquote movie stars. Then I think it's just gonna swing back where you have talents that come shining through, that regain that kind of popularity. And we go back to name recognition and movie stardom. That's just what I think,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:just cyclical. But
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I don't
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yeah. All right. So. I got into a conversation with our, uh, wonderful artist, um, Lauren, um, about this conversation was just, you know, we had it last week after we stopped recording of, do you think we're actually doing better? What things could we be doing to improve things X, Y, z, whatever. So we were playing star citizen and. I just asked. I was like, Hey, do you think we're actually doing better than we used to? Good news. She says, yes,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:we're doing better. Right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That's
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Um, and then she called out the Spider-Man episode. She, as one of her favorites because she, she's seen the stuff, she kind of knows what we're talking about. She feels more part of the, the community. And so I, I just asked, I was like, so what do you think? Who is right? So as she was saying these things, I took them as direct quotes and let her know that I would be quoting this in talking about the way electro looks in the amazing Spider-Man, too. He looks like jelly.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:so I have a question about this'cause I actually saw this earlier this week
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:and like if you look up jellyfish art. Jellyfish Art has a lot of electricity behind it. Yes. They don't produce electricity, but it's very much connected,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:not jellyfish jelly as in jam.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:like jam. You don't, I, I, I could see jellyfish and I would be totally fine with that because the old electricity aspect, be cool with that.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:She agreed that it looks stupid and she didn't like it. Uh, she then said, Josh is right. He does throw a tantrum because as she put it, he wants attention in a specific way at a specific time and doesn't like that, so he tries to burn the city down, which
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:is a tantrum. She did also go on to say the lizard is a better villain.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:ball, Lord Bow.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:quote, I do like the second one better, uh, because I was shocked that they actually killed Emma Stone. I didn't think they'd crossed that line in the movie, even though I knew it happened in the comments end quote. So she agrees with me on all of the reasons on why it sucks. She just likes it anyway, and I am okay with that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay. Okay. I. Think if it was a jellyfish thing, I would be more with the jelly. But you are an artist, so you have some weight to that. Lauren? Unfortunately, even though I like the way it looks, he throws a tantrum. Okay, whatever. I'm gonna throw a tantrum. Uh, just kidding. And then lizard is a better villain. Ball bull. Crap. Lizard
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:He is lizard has an actual motivation and it's not just throwing a tantrum. Plain, simple ball. And a story. That's how it is. And you can just like the second one for whatever reason, and I can accept that. But to throw out these claims that he was actually a good villain and that he had good writing is just insane. That's insanity,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:nah.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:but Alright.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Did you
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:what she would rate the second one? I was, I'm curious.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Uh, I probably did something along those lines. I don't remember what it was at the end of the day. She thinks the second one was more entertaining. Right. And like I, like I said, the quote of them killing Emma Stone's character. Like, I can still remember for me personally, when I walked out of the theory, out of the theater, not the theater,'cause I didn't go to the theater to see it, but when I watched it for the first time.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I was shocked that it happened the way it happened. Like I thought that they were gonna cut to black and roll credits before answering the question. Did she die? Because I thought that this is such a crappy movie. That's the only way they're gonna get green lit for a third, is because fans uproar and want to know the answer to that question.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Hm.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:But they showed it, and I agree with her. That was very shocking. I did not know that had happened in the comment comics and was shocked that they pulled the trigger and did that on screen. I think that's a totally valid thing. Even if I had known that
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:And
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:would show that.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:viscerally.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, like you said, that head crack. Absolutely. You feel it in your own bones almost like it is so. Yeah, like that, that that's a big, impactful moment. And like we talked about when we were talking about the show originally, like I gave the show a ton of credit for that part.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Just the rest of the movie. That's not very good. But, all right. With that, let's go ahead and hit your first real topic today. What do you have for us?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yellowstone season one. So I've got a, I've got quite a few friends that absolutely love this show. You recommended it to me directly, I think this is a pretty good show, but I don't understand why people love this show. Um, the first season I was like, I can get behind shows where you don't like all the characters. Breaking bad. You don't like all the characters, and I love that show. I know we've disagreed about that show. I love that show. all the characters are dark. They have problems. Like nobody is fully like, you're, you're just going for them and this show tries to do that kind of thing, but. There's not enough good about a lot of these people for you to even kind of root for them. So you're just kind of left like, okay, if you died, I wouldn't care, like at all. Um, they have the kid that I feel like is trying to be the grounding point for the show, but I'm, I'm gonna do it to breaking back is breaking bad's the one I like the best, breaking bad. You also have a son and you're trying to connect to that son and a, you have some empathy for him. He's not involved in this. He's not, he's not part of this world. He's separate from the world. He's got the young, a younger aspect to him, but in this one, the kid is not a good enough actor to carry that much weight of the rest of the series. you're kind of left like, I wanna like you more than I do, but I don't, um. I'll go through the negative things first. The sister, who is honestly a compelling character on paper is so, she, she's, she's so sporadic you're like, would you really be able to be the boss babe, bitch girl that you're, that you're trying to be like, could you actually keep doing this in the long run? And I think she's so much of an alcoholic and she has so many different problems. She couldn't, if she was a little bit younger, maybe I could still buy this, but she's been doing this for years and I, I don't see her still being able to hold onto that. Um, have the other son who goes and lives with the Indian people, and I can kind of understand why he does that because he meets his wife and she wants to be there with him, but this place is hell and he hates his dad and he doesn't want to be around his dad. So I'm just like, dude, leave. Go somewhere else. There are other Indian res reservations. There are other people that need your help. Um, and I, I don't really understand that for the character. My favorite character in the show actually is the lawyer son because I understand his motivations. I understand what he's trying to do. I, I like the lawyer son. I like main character pretty well. I don't completely understand him, but I feel like I'm unfolding and try, I am trying to understand him as I'm watching the show. It makes it kind of work. Like one of my favorite parts of the show is where you've got all these, uh, tourists who are, are, are really, really close to the buffalo the bear, the bear. And he's like, this is my land. You see that? That's my land. That's my land. out. And then he just starts shooting up into the air. I, I love that. It was a good part of his character. It made sense with the character. It was really well done. Um. You've got the Indian guy who is the rich Indian guy, and he owns some casinos, but his goal in life is to like buy a bunch of land and leave it barren that. That's his goal because the land was stolen or whatever, and maybe there's, maybe that's just a me thing where I'm like, I, I don't understand your motivation. Your people are poor. Like we've seen your people starving sad and uneducated and. Without anything, but your goal is to buy a bunch of land and leave it destitute so your people can still be hungry. And I think we're supposed to be rooting for this guy in some way, I, for me to root for you, I have to see you actually serving your people and you're not serving your people, you're just leaving them destitute. And so I tried to, I, I don't. I don't really like the whole idea of, of the reservations in general, and I think there's a lot of problems in history with that. But I try to separate myself from that aspect and just say, do I believe you are a leader worth following? And I don't. And for me to buy into that side of the entire equation of this show, I have to buy that he is somebody that's worth following along with our main character, the father being somebody worth following, regardless of their negative aspects. Now with Breaking Bad, I believe that our Brian Cranston, our main character, is worth following. He has a lot of good traits and a lot of bad traits that buy me in. He wants to take care of his family, but he also has this aggressive, arrogant tendencies and like it makes me wanna be a part of the show. This doesn't have that as much, and I, it's compelling enough that I'll watch a season two. But I, I don't understand the love of this show because I don't, I don't think it's worth it. I don't think it deserves the amount of praise that this show gets. I don't,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I think that it's all because we haven't had a really good Mob Boss shootout thing. In a very long time.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:uh, maybe that's it. People also seem to really love, uh. Really one be missing like that country aspect, like a Western type story, which we haven't gotten that much either. And there's a lot of people that really either love the idea of that country lifestyle or they have been part of the country lifestyle and actually love the horses and the training and all of that stuff, which is training in this show is, is fairly well done. Honestly. It is.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah. Yeah. But I, I, I, I honestly think it's a Mob Boss show. It's not really a Western, and like we got the Penguin, but that really wasn't like a Godfather esque kind of thing. It was kind of more like a villains, Batman villains kind of thing with mop in it. Whereas this one's just straight up a. It's a mob Boss fight off and,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Today you have two gangs that are fighting against each
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:of land. That's really what it is.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:And like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:You kind
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:than the Godfather, I can't even really name anything else like that. And so when you, you, you don't, you know, if's your niche, right? That's your thing that you're into, and you, you don't really get very much of it. You get the Godfather, you get the penguin, you get this. And this is made very well with very talented actors. It fills that void and I think it kind of gets a little bit more praise than probably what it's worth at what it actually is. That's, that's my prediction. That's what I think. I watched, I, I wanna say like three quarters of season one
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:then stopped watching.'cause it's not my kind of show.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Fair enough.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I, I agree with you. There's nobody worth rooting for. Nobody really has good qualities. Everybody kind of sucks. I feel like they're trying to paint, um, the Yellowstone people as good people with bad motives and the reservation people as bad people with good motives, but. Like you said, they're just trying to leave the land destitute or what? I thought it was preserving the land. It's, it just doesn't, like neither side really makes complete sense and like I did kind of like the sun character, but the more they drilled in the Romeo and Juliet of it. I got sick of it very quickly and like that character who I feel like was supposed to be the grounding element got demoted down to You're just Romeo. I was like, come on. And like his son is cool, but like he's so little. He doesn't really have anything to do with anything. He's just kind of there a lot, but. Yeah, so I, I decided to stop watching this. I'm not gonna watch this show anymore. I recommended it'cause I didn't do know you like the Godfather and.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I do, I like I like the Godfather. Uh, I like a lot of stuff like this, but if, if it wasn't as universally loved it is, I would probably not watch more, to be honest. But I'm gonna try season two because so many people that I know personally. Love this show. And I, I don't, I don't get it. And, uh, that's not to say like there isn't good stuff. The acting is pretty solid. The line delivery is well done. The writing can be good. It's just not fully fleshed out, is probably how I would say it. Um. And they did research on what it would feel like, in my opinion, to actually be on a ranch and to run a ranch fairly well. But it, it's just, it, it's missing some of the round edges that really need to be there.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:That's fair. That's totally fair. Like I said, I stopped watching it. I wouldn't blame you for not watching it anymore either. Uh, I think the setup is really solid. So those first couple of episodes are very interesting and you're like, okay, I'm excited to see where this thing goes. I just feel like as it develops, it doesn't do super great. The last thing I remember happening is they're fighting over the water from the river. So the Yellowstone people blow up the mountain to create a new river path, and I was like. I got very frustrated with law enforcement saying like, well, there's no way we could prove it was the yellow dog people, sorry. And I'm like, really? Because motive means an opportunity. They have the motive, they want the water, they have the means. They're rich and they had the opportunity because conveniently, all the leaders were gathered around at the same place and they were just like, dear, sorry, Indian people. There's nothing we can do. And I'm like, oh my gosh, you have got to be kidding me. Um, that's, that's the most recent thing that I remember having watched. Uh, not sure where that actually was in the show, but. Yeah, like you said, it's just not super fleshed out, but I do think all the actors do a really good job. I think the soundtrack is pretty solid. I think
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I agree with
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:that the idea in itself is not necessarily a bad one,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:And the cinematography is gorgeous like it
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:It's a beautiful show.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah. Um, they do a really good job of making the. Gangs feel like gangs, you know, with the Yellowstone branding, their own people and all that kind of stuff. Like it, some of this stuff is very, very well done. It, it's just not my thing. So I, I stopped watching. But
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Fair enough, fair enough.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:What would you rate season one on a scale of one to 10?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Six and a half.'cause I'm not like upset that I watched it, but would I watch it again? Unless, unless I grow to love these characters significantly more later through the show? No.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Fair enough. Fair enough. I would probably have rated it about the same. So,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:um, with that, we're gonna get started on my topics. Uh, star citizen, I have been playing this game a lot recently. Uh. This game is just simply amazing. So in the terms of the, the way this game is looked at, right? People say it's not playable, it's still an alpha, blah, blah, blah. Let me tell you three different things that happened in the same week in this game. So we're all on the same patch. We all have the same ability. I sent you this video. Uh, the thing that really sold me on Star Citizen originally was a video of people breaking out of prison.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:You liked the video, you thought it was awesome. I did too. Very cool. The games, one of the games most flushed out features is mining, and in the game there's a certain mineral called Jana Light. Jana Light is super rare, but is super. Money making. It's worth a ton of money. The prison is built on top of a mine of channel Aite. Something that actually makes a ton of sense. The people who run the prison, they're gonna make all the money from the channel. Aite. People who go to prison can mine channel Aite and exchange for shortened sentences. Makes sense?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Cool thing.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yep.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:world
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:this video, a group of people get together. Break into prison, kill the prisoners, and start mining the channel light for themselves. The, the i, the fact that you can even do this is amazing. It's so cool that there's a working prison system that you can break in and out of it, right? Like if you wanna go all at at. Alcatraz, you can, you can break out a prison. Uh, and in this case, if you wanna make a crap ton of money, mining the most valuable resource in the game because you know it's there because it's under a prison. You break into a freaking prison and you mine it and steal the Jan Light. Break back out of prison. They fly off, they clear their crime stats for killing all of the prisoners like that in itself is a cool game.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That is cool. If that was just like just a game, like you had a 10 hour game and that was your game, that would be a cool game.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, absolutely. The same week I had somebody who I placed artist citizen with. He's kind of a, he likes to do the hauling missions,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Mm-hmm.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:up cargo onto a ship, take it to point B, unload it. It's a very chill aspect of the game. Uh, this person went into a contested area, so a place where players can kill each other, um, to deliver some cargo, and he got attacked by a ship. So he and another stranger in another cargo ship go rushing into their ships to try and defend themselves. Take off
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:when another, so there's currently three players involved. A fourth player shows up, kills the people that were, was attacking them for no reason, and then leaves in this big capital ship that has a giant laser to shoot. That in itself is still a very cool kind of gaming experience that you could have. And the fact that these players can interact with each other in that way, absolutely astounding.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Cool.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:And then on my end, I've started streaming again. Uh, just'cause figured, why not? I got my first actual viewer who also played Star Citizen and was like, Hey, do you mind if I join you? We're now Discord friends. We go and do bounty hunting missions together. We've done it a couple of times now.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That's super cool.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:the community of this game is so cool. What you can do in this game is so cool. I. Like people say this game is unplayable and doesn't have full features. Yes, it doesn't have full features, but that's just'cause they're trying to make this such cool experience, one of one game. They're, they're doing a lot. They still have more to go. I absolutely love that all of this kind of stuff can happen in this game.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Very cool.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Basically all at the same time and no loading screens for anybody. It's amazing
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That is cool. More videos that I watch, the cooler I think it is, and the more I wanna figure out why my pretty solid computer
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:you're way above average computer.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:My way above average computer struggles with this game so hard.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah. I don't know, but it's awesome. I love this game. I'm gonna play more of it today. It's great. This is very quickly becoming one of my all time favorite games. It's so good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That's awesome, man. That makes me happy.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:All right. With that, we're gonna hit our shared topic. Star Wars, underworlds, tales of the Underworld, whatever it's called. Basically season three in the tales of um, series Conlan. Why don't you go ahead and tell us your thoughts first.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay, so the first. Character that we're focused on is Assad Adventurous, who is one of my favorite characters in the colon war stuff. Very cool character. Very well done. This, they pick up after a book where she dies and I had to go look online to figure out when did she die? When did any of this happen? I hate when stuff picks up off of something else. It's a different show or a different book that you might not have read, like if it's part of the series, have it be part of the series so you know what's going on. Along with that, the story of Asage interest that they decided to show I didn't think was very compelling or very well done. It felt like the crappier version, the crappier episodes of Clone Wars. I just didn't really like it very much. I think it was very good. The second part is with CAD Bain and, um, he is also a fantastic character, and this half I thought was much better. connections that he is had with previous people, the obsession that he has was extremely well done. The, um, revenge plot line worked with him really well. It was, it was very compelling, The darkness that he feels, the betrayal, that he feels of it was well done and, and actually built the character that we've already spent so much time with. And I thought that was really, really cool. Very worth my time. I liked it about, as much as I liked the duku stuff and season one, which is up there. I thought it was really good. looking at me like I'm crazy, but I, I really liked it. massage stuff was terrible. What
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Uh, I disagree with you with the reasons, but not the. Conclusion of your massage stuff,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:uh, it feels very incomplete and it feels like not massage. Right? The last time we saw massage in the Clone Wars is when she was with Asoka escaping, right?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:She's become a bounty hunter. She's still selfish. She's not this good person. They introduce her to this Jedi character. Jedi kid, and instead of it being what I think could have been a lot better, where he's this pesky little annoyance character that's a little bit lovable. So she kind of lets him join. She's just like, yeah, this is cool. Okay, yeah, we'll do this thing. Okay, yeah, we'll do this thing. And it's like, okay. So there's clearly a lot of character development that happened in between. Clone Wars and this version of massage and I don't really buy it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Me either
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I don't know what happened. You said it was built off something.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:off of a book.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay. If there's some book, I don't know what happened in that book, but like stuff has clearly happened and she's changed. I was not expecting her to be the kind of character she was and I don't really buy it. I did like the detail of her having to soak as yellow light saber. That was a nice little Easter egg that you saw. And then her big motivation is try and find the, the passageway or whatever they call it of the Surviving Jedi. They get to the end. She's finally found the starting point, and she's just like, no, I'm good. That's how her story ends. And so it's like it wasn't really well thought out to begin with, and then you just like walk away from your main goal. That's not compelling. So it doesn't feel like a complete story. It doesn't feel a whole, it doesn't feel
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like it just fumbles its way through the entire thing. Yeah. Uh, as for the CAD Bain stuff. Uh, I did not like it at all.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Really?
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:the cad. That's surprising.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I, I, I've never really liked CAD Bain as a character,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like insert his episodes. Most of them are filler episodes. I just, people love him and I just have never really fully understood the love for his character'cause.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:is just a really cool bounty hunter. Is there that much to him? No. Which is part of the reason why I like this, because we get a character that's just cool. Like he is just a cool character and we actually get more
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:But I didn't think he was cool until the trials with Obi one. That's when I thought he was cool and that was the only time I thought he was cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Every other time he shows up in the series, I'm like, basically, just skip this episode'cause it doesn't matter, like when he breaks into the Jedi temple. Ugh, when he does all of this stuff, like he's in the show, he's a very regular thing and he's such a big fan favorite. My mentality to him is like, I genuinely do not care about this character. One way or the other, I don't think he's making a compelling or interesting villain, and he's giving me no reason to root for him as a hero. I don't get it. But if you go to Comic-Con, there's gonna be 50 people dressed up as CAD Bain because they love him. And I genuinely, just like I, he's a basic bounty hunter. That is his character, basic bounty hunter. That's it. And like. There's what, four episodes with him? Three episodes? I don't remember.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:think. I think it's three.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Three episodes. Half of it is like an utter snooze fest to me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Real man. That's
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like the second half of it, it does get a lot more interesting and a lot better, but calling it the quality level of Tales of the Jedi, any of the Tales of the Jedi episodes is just like. What are you talking about?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I genuinely thought it had like some similar story beats to the KU one. I I, I was pretty similar to KU level. Was it as good as the Asoka stuff? No, but.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:For a lot of people, the Duku stuff is the best part, and for me, the Duku stuff is the best part. I thought the Duku stuff was way better than the Asoka stuff.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:The, the Duku stuff actually adds to the character.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:It does
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:This, the asoka stuff
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:does this,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:is like a lot of filler and a lot of, uh, and then you get some good stuff, right? Like the Asoka finale to the Asoka part of Tales of the Jedi is the best part of Tales of the Jedi. Let's be honest. That was so awesome. Uh. But there's like an entire episode where she's like a farmer. It's like, okay, no, I would rather hit You have cut the farmer stuff, showed you getting the inquisitor's lightsaber and then going through the process of bleeding it to create your white sabers. That's what I would've loved to have seen. I didn't get that. Duku took all of this like stuff that you kind of like had to know if you were a Star Wars fan. Put it into the sweet compact, perfectly el uh, executed little package
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:And told you a
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:and told you a lot of stuff and it's like, okay, I get it. I understand why Doku doesn't have yellow eyes and I understand why he's not a full on Sits guy and I understand why he didn't sell. And it was like
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I get it.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:in an hour you gave us what would be like three movies worth of content. I absolutely loved it. Um, so, so that's why Duku in general for me is the best part. But
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:that that's probably a little overblown what I was saying,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like the CAD Bain stuff, this is where I would rank it, right? You've got Duku, Asoka, cad, Bain, tails of the S stuff, and at the battle at the bottom right. That's kind of how I would rank them in order.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:But like to say, it's on that level. I, it's been a long time since I've seen Star Wars content on that level.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That's
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Boy, that is wild to me.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:but I liked it. It was, it was up there for me. I really, I really liked it.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:All right, so how would you rank the Tales stuff?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Um, I am actually looking up tells of the STH right now. I. Because I remember, lemme look it up quick. One second. I would probably do Duku, CAD Bain, then Asoka. Then tells of the sith because I would rewatch all of those and then massage way, way, way, way, way lower.'cause I will never watch that one again.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay. For me, the big gap is between Asoka and CAD being.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay. And then there's another big gap because I would not rewatch tales of the Zi.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:You wouldn't.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:No. It was a, I'm okay that I watched it the one time, but I am not eager to rewatch that Tales of the Jedi rewatch for sure. Basically the rest of it, eh? How would you rate this season on a scale of one to 10?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Um, I would break it up into two parts and the massage stuff, I genuinely is like a two. I didn't like it very much at all. then the CAD Bain stuff, uh, and a half,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay. That's fair.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:right around that. What about
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Hmm. I'm a little higher on the massage stuff. I would give it a four out of 10'cause like. While a lot of it didn't make sense and it didn't feel complete, there was nothing about it that I felt like broke Star Wars lore or very irritating. It's just, it was kind of boring and didn't really make a lot of sense with the writing.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:with the character. I was irritated with wasting my time with the story. I was irritated that you made me. Like the character a little bit less. By having watched this, I was irritated that my ending to this character is now this ending instead of an ending. I actually liked, I didn't like it.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, that's fair. I, I also never really loved massage,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like I was very interested in massage. It wasn't like I'm rooting for her, or I feel pity for her or any of this stuff. Like there's a sequence where they're like, this is where you're supposed to feel empathetic to her situation. And I sit there and I go, no, I don't. She's still a messed up individual. She's psychotic that. I don't feel empathy towards that. But yeah, so just a little higher. Still don't like it. But I would give it a four because a two is like absolute disdain to me, as I didn't, I didn't feel that. And then lower on the CAD Bain stuff is, I'd put it at like a seven out of 10'cause it's not something I'd be eager to rewatch.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I would, yeah, I, I will watch that again. Would you, what would you rate the Duku?
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Nine out of 10, 9.5 out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Five. What about Soka?
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:8.5 out of 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay. Okay,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:fair
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:those are both really, really great pieces and the only reason Asoka is not a nine is because of the farmer episode that I'm like, come on, like this isn't building her character. This is trying to build the characters that are around her that, by the way, are dead at the end. So like.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Who cares?
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Who cares. Like, I didn't like them enough to feel really depressed and sad when they died, and like
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:have enough time.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:you didn't have enough time to deal with it. So it was just like a whole filler episode. I was like, come on,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Is
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:come on.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:two characters that you want them to do more on that we haven't seen?
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I want them to get out of this era entirely.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Okay.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Right? Like they're, they're doing so much in this era of Star Wars. Like, here's where I was most irritated with the new season. There is yet another inquisitor. Basically there are 20 Surviving Jedi, and 12 of them now are Inquisitors.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Inquisitors.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Uh. No, like, let's, let's stop doing that. I've never liked the Inquisitors. I thought that they were a stupid Disney invention when they first came out, and the only one I've ever liked is the one of Soka fights. Why? Because he is not an inquisitor. He's just a guy with a cool design who shows up and then dies, and like all the other one, I don't think have good designs. I don't find them intimidating or scary. My favorite is the main one who plays like a five, two little girl, and you're like, really? That's your big intimidating person that's going to hunt down these Jedi? She's five two. That's not scary.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:And what happened to that whole dying religion thing
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:fire
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah. It's, it's just, ugh. It's really irritating and like it also builds more into the lore of it.'cause like in the original trilogy, people treat the force like it's unheard of magic. But the more inquisitors you create and the more interactions you create with all these different peoples, that becomes less and less believable as,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:But where it's the original, you have Palpatine Invader, and that's about it.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:It makes it a lot more believable.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, absolutely. And the Jedi you do have are in hiding and are very few,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yep.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:but in this version they're running all over the galaxy and they're hunting for people and they have lights, sabers, and like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Everything.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:come on guys, let's, so yeah, I'm just like, I've had it like, let's move away from the Skywalkers. I get it. Anakin was the chosen one. Like, let's just, let's tell some different stories. Let's, let's move on. Let's, let's get into some other stuff. Like there's so much books and comics and content and worlds and
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:periods.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:like Yeah, like, let's talk about the mandalorians. Let's just have a series about the actual mandalorians from Mandal.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That'd be
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:so into that. Like let's do it. And let's have a, you know, old Republic storyline and let's have, let's get into some of this really great stuff that we have access to that Disney's just like, but it doesn't have a Skywalker in it, so it can't be good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Yeah, and the Old Republic stuff
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:that's older than the old Republic that you could get into. That also is very compelling.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Uh, you can get into so much stuff. There's so much lore and stuff that's touched on in rebels and Clone Wars that tells us we know, you know about it. Freaking heck yeah. Give me an actual th throne story. How about that? And let's not make him some fat loser guy. Let's make him th from the books. How about that?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:absolutely.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I already know who I want them to cast as throng.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Who do you want him to cast his throne? I think it would be awesome to have a Sherlock cast his throne,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Which one?
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:uh, fuck who plays the wizard. What is his freaking name? Um, Dr. Strange dude.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:I think it'd be awesome. I think it would be great.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Okay. I want them to cast Zachary Quinto.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:He would be fantastic. That is a great one.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:Seriously,
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:I know,
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:both
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:because I have just great ideas.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:did.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Yeah, I mean like I appreciate that they wanted him because he did the voicing at Voice work, but like
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:No, you don't need to do that. No.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:he's not a very good actor. Keep to the voice. Work keeping being a voice actor, you do a really good job with that. Let's have a real good thro. Let's tell Theron before Thro came to the Empire. That's what I wanna see. The books are great. It's such a good story. I know that that contradicts things because I just said, get out of this era, and that is that era, but like it's separate, so let's do that. That's what I want.
konlin-gappmayer_1_06-03-2025_164816:That would be awesome. And I, I like your pick. You. That's a, that's a good pick.
josh-dietrich_1_06-03-2025_124819:Anyway. Alright, with that we're gonna end this episode. Thank you everybody for watching and or listening. Love getting those comments. Uh, let us know if you've listened to more than one of our episodes, are we getting better? Or what could we do to be better? We'd love to hear those suggestions or let us know what you think. Um, is Yellowstone good? Is tales of the underworld worth watching? I say no. Conman says the second half. Yes, absolutely. Without a doubt. It's amazing. I don't, I don't, I don't say it that way. Um, let us know. Thanks guys.
