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Josh Dietrich and Konlin Gappmayer discuss their media consumption, new and old. They discuss the good, the bad, and the impact it has on their lives
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Spirit, Walker Season 1, News, Something Wicked this way comes, MurderBot
00:00 - Spirit
12:26 - Walker
20:37 - Kickstarter
26:06 - Something Wicked
35:15 - MurderBot
45:35 - Tombstone
Hey everybody. It is onscreen offscreen back again. We are talking books, TV shows, movies, all the good stuff, and how it influences our lives. We've got Lauren the Greatest with an Awesome Shirt. Then we've got Josh who has a horse on his shirt. Let's start with the person with the clearly better shirt. Lord, let's go to your topics first.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Uh, so I will watch Spirit, uh, let, I think, I can't remember what the full title is. Uh, I picked this,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:the one about the horse.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:one about the horse? Yes. Um, it's, I picked this one because I remember like. As a kid, they have like the extra, uh, like bonus features and they like showed you how they drew the horses and everything. And I remember that like me and my sister would like sit and watch spirit and like draw the horses over and over and over again. And then when I was at school for animation, there was a part where we would choose to either animate a horse walk cycle, a dog walk cycle, or a squirrel walk cycle.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:And everybody ran away from the horse walk cycle because apparently it was the hardest. But I was like, hold up. 8-year-old me got me, was able to just like, uh, I think it was like within an hour I had the walk cycle down pat and it was like flawless. And everybody's like, why'd you pick the horse? And I was like, have you ever watched Spirit? Like I had, I had to, um.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I've been studying this for my whole life
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I was ready for this moment
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:day.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Exactly. Just to show off and, uh, there, yeah. I really, I really like this movie. Even like when I was a kid, I remember watching this on repeat and there's, I mean, it has, oh my gosh, now I can't think of who the, who sings, the track.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Oh, uh, the 1980,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Adams. Brian
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Brian Adams. There we go. Yeah. Uh, I love Brian Adams and this score is really good. Um, I remember my mom had the, uh, soundtrack as like a cd and we'd like listen to it in the car, um, when we would drive and yeah. Uh, I, it's was a good one to go back on. Uh, the animation's gorgeous in this movie. The story is great. It has horses.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:What do you want? Um, so actually the whole podcast is about movies that change your life. And this one completely changed my life. Um, when I was a kid, I rode a horse and his name Spooks, it was my horse. And spooks, realize, was a little horny devil at the time, but there was a mare that came, riding past on the front road, and Spooks was like, oh, pretty. And decided to run. I fell off of the mare, hit my head on cement, and literally almost drowned in my ditch. I was absolutely terrified of riding horses at all. I didn't wanna touch them. I was scared of them. Then I watched this movie over and over and over again and I was like, dang it, so cool. And so I decided to, uh, try riding horses again. I got into, I, I became comfortable with horses again after I almost died because of this movie.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Well that's good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:funny'cause like feel like a lot of people who ride horses have one moment where they like get kicked off and they're like, oh, I'm scared again. It's like, no, you have to get back on that horse. That's why they say like, or like get back on uh, like when you wreck your bike or whatever, they're like, you have to get right back on or else you can felt that fear and never go back to loving something you could enjoy. yeah, it's funny, my uncle actually, um. Breeds horses. And I remember one of his horses names was pc and I was mad for years, but I was like, I remember asking him to name that horse, princess Kristalina when he was asking us to name horses. And uh, yeah, PC stood for Princess Crystal. So I was mad all those years for nothing. And I literally just found this out like two years ago that her name was Princess Cri.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:That's so bad. Literally as soon as you said that, I was like, it probably stands for Princess Crystal.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah, no, I did not catch on for literally like a decade.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:That's crazy. This, movie is awesome. The animation is beautiful and the part where it's like, be free and then, and then Spirit is on top of the cliff and the hair is waving. It's made, it's waving in the wind spic.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah. Yeah. And there's.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:song over and over and over again and I can still like picture that scene when it, I can picture that scene and the song right now. It's
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:well done.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:there's like, and then the one when he is in the train and it's like, yeah, sound the bugle now. And I was like, yeah. I miss when movies were kind of like, an album where they had one person dedicated to it. Like when they had, was it Phil Collins for Brother Bear
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah. And
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:and, and Tarzan. Yeah. I loved when they had like an artist like that do a soundtrack that went with, um, the movie. But um, yeah, this one's great. I like, literally, I can't think of anything wrong with this movie.'cause I, I think of, um. Like, sometimes there's, when I'm watching something, I'm like, oh, we have to just get through this part, part for it to be, for it to get to the, the more interesting parts. But like the chunks of this movie were great and flowed well, and the music hit like every single song hit, uh, animation was great. I don't think there was one spot where I was like, oh, I could have animated that a little bit better. It was just gorgeous. Um, yeah, honestly, like, I think, and I don't think I know of anybody else who's like this, this movie sucks. Let's not watch it. So like, I almost wanna say if I should have put it on my underrated list, but I don't think it is underrated. I just think that it just doesn't get talked about how good it is as much as it deserves, but. Yeah, so that's my thing on spirit.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Very cool. So what do you rate Spirit?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I should like,'cause that's what I was thinking with the ratings of like, I should have this like,'cause I was saying, oh, it's like a solid eight or whatever. But then I was like, I literally just said it was flawless. So I'd have to say it's a 10. I think it's
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:a 10.'cause music, animation story, it's all great. I remember being really sad when I was a kid and realizing that spirit wasn't a true story, like verbatim,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:You thought
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:but I thought it was real.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:funny.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:to be. But yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:that's
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Is Spirit, the best horse in movies then?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Oh, that's a good question. I like that question.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Hmm. I want to say yes, but there's others.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:So you brought up horses being like really hard to animate and like that started to make me think like horses are in so much animation though if they're so hard to animate.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:They're not like the hardest thing to animate, but out of the choices that we had for that assignment, they were the hardest to animate
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:animal to animate
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:for me or for community.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:general community. What is, what do people think is the hardest?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I think a lot of people said horse, because like also the hardest thing in animation is a walk cycle, but people walk all the time in animation. But if you have a solid walk cycle, then you can animate anything is kind of like the the thing. So it's, even though it's like one of the hardest to animate doesn't mean that people won't animate it because it, that's what I think about all the time when I'm watching animated stuff and I'm like, they chose to animate that. I was like, that was so extra they chose to animate that. That must have been hard. so yeah, I think a lot of the times animators are in it for the love of animating it instead of just trying to find the easiest path, but.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Well, that's just like crazy. So like I, I made a quick little list like Road to El Dorado, tangled in Mulan. All have very expressive, very involved sidekick horses. All very underrated shows. But they all chose horses when they could have picked anything.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I think people just like horses.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah, that's true.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:mean, like, I'm, another thing that like came to mind is like a snake might be tricky to animate'cause I'm thinking of like the, I must said live action. The animated Robinhood, uh, with like the foxes, Robinhood and they have the snake, uh, animate that snake so creatively, um. there's a part where he folds his arms, but he's a snake so he doesn't have arms. So they, like looped, had two loops, like go like that to make it look like he was crossing his arms like a harrumph. And like, to me, I think that would be harder to try to be creative, to make a snake be expressive. but then there's like,
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Well, to me there's also like the movement of a snake. Like with stuff with legs, you have, it touches this point on earth, right? And then moves where with the snake it's wiggling. So I could see it being difficult to like ha have it wiggle too much and make it look like it's going faster without the progression or that kind of stuff.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah,'cause, and like literally it just comes down to like references and like a lot of references and stuff. So the thing that I, I. Go back to like the arms crossed, you're never gonna see a snake do that in the wild. So it's like the imagination for somebody to do that. And then where do you get the reference for that to animate that. So it's like they just had to like figure out how to do that. Whereas like with horse animation, you can just video a horse running, galloping walking, uh, to what you need and then have a reference to animate it. So yeah, and like with the snakes movement, you could also like video a snake moving, but it's when they take the creative liberties with an animal to make them more expressive, that I'm like, that was so smart. Like, I wish I was as smart as some of these animators because yeah, I lived off of my, uh, animation references.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:That's really cool. Well, let's go on to our next one, Josh, let's start with your first topic. I.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay. Uh, so my topic is Walker, the one with Jared pki. Um, I remember watching the old one but don't really remember a whole lot about it, so I can't really compare the two. Um, but for what I do have to say, the sun in it is the best looking, or not the best looking, but like actually looks like Jared Peck's sun. Um, in the way that, like, there are certain shots where you would go, that looks exactly like Jared Padalecki and then certain shots in different angles where it doesn't look as much. Um, and I've never really like noticed that in other stuff before. Like there's good looking, like, yeah, that you, you'd buy it. But this one, it's like, you know, when you actually go to meet somebody's family, there are times where you're like, oh, they look identical. And then other times with different ankles and stuff where you're like, I don't, I don't see it very much. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:so I noticed that and I'm like, wow, that's, that's very, very cool. That was a great casting choice. Um, the fight scenes and the choreography start off really rough and get better. Um, I don't remember how early it is. It's like the first or second episode. There's, uh. Punch that is thrown, um, as not walker, but his, uh, partner jumps into the back of a pickup and then like throws a punch at the driver. And it's literally like, uh oh. And I'm like, that is the worst choreography I think has I've ever seen in something like this. Like it is horrible, but it does get better. And I do get that that was probably a tricky shot to get. Um, it does get better throughout. I still haven't seen him throw a roundhouse kick though, so can't really say for sure. Um, the father-daughter relationship in season one is very, very well done. Um, Jared's character's dealing with the loss of a wife, the daughter's li losing, dealing with the loss of a mom. Neither of them have grieved, uh, walker's being a really crappy, absent father. So the daughter is just like bearing all of that. And it actually goes through a cycle of doubt and then slowly gaining trust. It's not like just suddenly in one episode, the daughter's like, oh, I can trust you to be a dad again. And like the, the element of doubt keeps coming back. Um, Jared is better when he's not doing an accident. There's scenes where he's just Jared and he is just talking with people and it's very good. And there are scenes where he's like trying to force the southern accent and it takes me way out of it. I'm like, dude, just stop.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:with it.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Just, just don't like. Your, your regular speaking is close enough that everybody would buy it. Stop doing this way over the top. Maybe it's just the changing and I've noticed the changing, but I really don't buy his, his Texas accent. Um, and then I really like the bartender played by Audit Annabel, but I hate what they did with her character. Um, they basically wrote her out and then brought her back in for a little bit and then wrote her out again. And I was like, no. Like her character is so good. Um, she's basically this wisecracking, sassy, sarcastic shit talker, bartender girl who always calls out Walker for being an idiot. And I really liked that. But they basically wrote around, I'm like, no. They were supposed to like make fun of each other until the grieving process was done and then get together.'cause they're like. Best friends. Um, but you know, it is what it is. So far. I'm really liking the show. No, it's not the best show ever. Yes, it has its problems, but as for Reboot, it's probably one of the best ones.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I was gonna say, most people know Jared Padalecki from Supernatural. Does that like a lot of times some people have trouble shaking, one role going done for years into going to another one. Did that ever shine through, or was it.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:No,'cause I'm not a big supernatural fan. I really like the early seasons, but as soon as there's angels and demons, that shows terrible to me. Like
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:what I think too
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:it, it starts off and you go, okay, I can suffer through this. And then it gets to a point where I just like stop watching entirely. Um. With the one exception of the Scooby-Doo crossover,'cause that's the best crossover thing that has ever existed in anything. So, um, but yeah.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:and this has, have you seen everything that's come out of Walker so far?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Oh, just the first season
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Okay. How many seasons are there?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:four.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Okay, so you're,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:a super, you a supernatural fan?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I, um, and this, okay, so I've watched all of them, but I agree with you guys that. Once the angels and demons come in, I'm like, uh, not a fan. But I kept watching it for like, when they would have the filler episodes that were the monster of the week type things, and I'm like, yes. And then they'd go back to the, the storyline. I was like, oh. So it was a lot of, yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Went on for another like 15 years
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:And I
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:basically.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:like the ending. I did. Uh, I was so mad at the ending anyway, but this is Walker,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:But feel like he does a good job, Josh? I haven't seen him in anything but supernatural. I've
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:nomore girls.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Oh, I have seen that. Okay. Um, doesn't count.'cause Gilmore girls is terrible and I will not hold anybody to the standard that is that trash garbage show. Everybody gets forgiveness and everybody deserves it for being in that show. I hate Gilmore Girls. I hate
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:He is in Friday, the 13th from 2009.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Oh, I have seen that one. I forgot about that. I do like him in that. He does a good job in that.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:He's young MacGyver.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Never seen that.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I've never seen that either. I didn't even know that was a thing, but I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Me either.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:But yeah,
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:uh,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:feel like it's a typecast.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:no, I feel like those who do get typecast are actors who get the role that is just that actor. And so they can't really act, they just happen to get lined up with like, who they really are and then they get typecasted that. Yeah. Whereas Jared is kind of, you know.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:He is good
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:It's good enough that like and Supernatural's not big enough or overwhelming enough, at least to me to overshadow it. So
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:So are you gonna watch the other seasons or.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:yeah, I'm gonna keep watching the show.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool. All right. Let's move to my first topic. And actually it's a little extra thing that I found out about today. Um, Kickstarter is doing an anthology series that I wanted to bring up called Unbroken. they, they did a Kickstarter a while ago for a different author who had a bunch of medical bills and a bunch of other authors came together try to donate enough money to help pay this author's medical bills. author who put that together now is the one who has the medical bills. So a bunch of author authors came together to, to write this unbroken and help him with his medical bills. the names on this are crazy. There's Terry Brooks. There's Jim Butcher. Uh, Matt Denman is doing one of them. Scott Lynch. Mark Lawrence, Mole is doing one of'em. Christopher Palini Ra Salvador. Brent Weeks, Brandon Sanderson, like you have some major, major names that are all coming together to be able to write this. Some of my favorite authors of all time are coming together I think it's really cool that they saw a fellow of a kind in need and they decided to come together and help'em out.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:So is this like, um, one of those series where like one author, is it a series that they're
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:So it's an anthology. So like you'll write a short story. Short story, short story, and it's a of,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:put into like one book.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:30, 30 authors that are all writing short stories, stories in one book to help this guy pay off some medical bills. And I thought that was cool.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:'cause I've heard of like authors banning together to like make a series where one writes the first book, next one writes the second book. but yeah, I haven't heard of something like that. That's cool. So have you gotten the book or did you just hear about this? I,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:So the Kickstarter starts, it launches on September 23rd. I just wanted to let people know and have'em watch out because
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:cause. And you might find like, I know probably half of the authors on this, on this roster.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:and they're good.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:the stories and they're, they're all good. They're all excellent, excellent authors. I mean, you have the guy who wrote Ender or who wrote Agon, not Agon. Agon, yeah. Who, uh, you have the guy who wrote Sun Eater. My favorite current series. You have the Dark Elf Trilogy. You have Brandon Sarason, like just a major, major heavy hitters. I would love to read some of these other authors Little works and be like, you know what? I really like your writing style. How about I check out your book series and anybody else who's that kind of thing wants to find a new author? This is a good opportunity to do that.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Nice.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I was like, is the guy from Enders game in there or is that,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:game. Air Aragon is
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:oh, okay. I was gonna say, I just, I took a class from the author from Enders game's brother, who's a composer, an orchestral composer for movies. I was gonna go.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:is cool. I got to play paintball with Orson Scott when I was like seven years old. had a, of my dad's friends was super into paintball. He was in the military and like when he was home he would train shooting, which I think was kind of like a bull crap thing now that I'm older. But he would train shooting by having a paintball gun and he would paints and my dad when kids Scott into kind of Cool.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Was it like at a paintball place that they would go? Or like
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:He had some land up in the mountains, so we'd go up in the canyon and there'd be trees all over the place, and we'd all get strapped with paintballs and
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:was it just friends with, with Orson Scott. that's cool.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:yeah, just a bunch of friends got invited and he was there, but I was a little kid and they told me that my initi initiation to paintball, I had to take off my shirt and put on a helmet and basically run in my underwear while everyone shot me.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah, we used to paintball camping and stuff out in the woods, so that's why I was like wondering if they just like happened to run into him or if it was organized to go with him.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:It was organized. There was a ton of people there, like it was, it was a lot of fun. It's one of my, I have a fond memory of it. It was really cool.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:No. Was he one of the ones shooting you in your underwear?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Absolutely he was. Everyone shot me. I was, I was in Paris Shorts is what I was in and with my shirt off and they made me run like a hundred yards. And I was this little kid with little legs and I was like, I'm so tired. Stop shooting me.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Not many people can say an author shot them with a.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah. Ender's game author like shot me with a paintball. He, he probably was inspired some of his later books. Me like a little ender getting shot in the face
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Then there was one
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:once. Got a kid just getting nailed. Nah, it was, it was fun. It was fun. All right, lemme go to my next book. It's something Wicked This Way Comes, this has been on my list for a very, very, very, very, very long time. Um, I love this book. It's, I was very, very impressed. Four, uh, Fahrenheit, 4 51. Have you guys read that?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Mm-hmm.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay. I read it in school and it's one of two books that I hated the most period. I struggled to get through this book so hard. I didn't like it at all.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Fahrenheit.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:this one enough to, yeah, I, I didn't
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Oh.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:4 51 at all. Um, and this book is written by the same author and makes me want to reread that book now that I'm older because this is just gorgeous. bit of writing is beautiful and you can tell big icons of horror, especially Stephen King quote. This book is one of the books that inspired them to be a writer. And you can feel the writing technique and the good prose, the way that they beautifully put together words inspired by this because it's gorgeous. Every line is like dripping with. Beauty and purpose and clarity, and you have these kids that run into a, traveling circus type of a thing, and there's this creepy ringleader master who is basically acting kind of like a devil of devil crossroads. Get, offering them all of these different things that they want, if they will just keep riding The carousel is kind of the idea. these kids are getting deeper and deeper into this creepy atmosphere and they want to get out. One of the kids', father, his name's Charles, that he's going to, he's gonna help these kids out. He's gonna help get'em out. He's going to take down the ringleader, but the ringleader also has sway over him. And the father is talking about how the father is getting tempted by this idea of becoming younger again. All of these misplaced use and all the aches and pains that he goes through, and you don't have to go through that anymore. You can just go back to being 16 again. We can take it all away from you. We can take away all the pain, but he decides to be a father and to be strong for these kids and ignore all these temptations to go back and erase the regrets of his life and the way that they write father and him dealing with regrets and dealing with those moments where he wasn't his best self. I connected with a whole lot of the moments where I wish that I could go back and I could be something better and it was it gorgeous like it is gorgeously written and written. You really connect with, I can see you connecting with different people depending on which time you read this book. The kids are written well enough and have good enough persuasions and good enough thoughts and good enough beliefs that you could connect with the kid. And I think if you wrote, if you read this when you were like 10, 11, 12 years old, you would connect with the kid. The father is well enough written that you can connect with him and he doesn't feel like the typical father. That's kind of a dope. Now he feels like somebody who isn't perfect. Yeah. He screwed up sometimes in his life, but he wants to be a good dad. strong enough to be a good dad. He's got a clear enough vision to be a good dad. uh, atmosphere is really creepy. The, the, there's a part where they deal with the carousel and they have the horses. That is extremely creepy and vivid in my mind. If you guys read it, you'll, you'll, I think you'll like that part, but it's just gorgeous and it ends up being, I, I wrote in my notes like a dark Peter Pan. ringleader devil type character is perpetually a child and he is trying to keep children in the circus. He's trying to keep children in the carousel, and he is trying to make deals to allow adults to relive their childhood and literally become kids again. And it's a cool. Dark twisted fairytale aspect to this book. This isn't the scariest thing I've ever read. It is just more horrifying, thrilling, haunting kind of a book. But it's, it's beautiful and I would recommend it
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:So when you say like horrifying but not scary, what's that distinction there for you?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:like gothic horror, like the, the surroundings are very creepy. You're, you're in a creepy carousel. The people are creepy, but it's not like, I can't read this without a light on kind of a thing. It's like, this is a creepy and bad, uh, atmosphere that I'm immersed in. Does that sort of make sense?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:unsettling, but not unsafe.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yes, yes, yes.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:is, that's how I would put it. And it's, it's beautiful, beautiful book. As far as rating goes, I would probably give it something like, I think I would, I wanna give it a nine. I think it's to be a classic. It's, it's incredibly well written.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:So you said it's not the mo, the scariest or creepiest, or probably not even your favorite in that genre.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Mm-hmm.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:does it fall in your list? Is it top five? Top 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I would give, I, it would be somewhere in the top probably
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:somewhere right in there. I, I would say probably six or seven that range.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Even though you're giving it a nine.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Even though I'm giving it a nine because
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:ones that have been more impactful for me in this genre. When you get into the horrific elements, you get into a lot of deep emotion. The best horror books deal with deep emotion and like Pet Cemetery absolutely racked me to my core, Me, moved Me. And there's other books that are in where we're dealing with people in real, real situations that move me. Pet Cemetery gets into those dark emotions that we don't often write about and we don't, don't often think about. And it does it so well that it connected with a part of me that we don't really ever address or really talk about. And that's what I like about really good horror is the moments where you get into that dark recess that we don't talk about and we don't really work through and we kind of avoid, but it does it in a way that is healthy and actually. Actually lets you work through things and become a better person because you read it. I feel like I am a better person because I read Pet Cemetery. I feel like it helped me realize some things.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:So what would you rate Pet Cemetery for comparison,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:um, as far as quality of book, I give that one like a 9.5 and that's probably just'cause I'm an arrogant am bastard Who won't give people tens.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:except you already did,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Sarah, I
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:but I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have done it. Shouldn't have done
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:There's no take backs.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:But I, pet Cemetery was extremely moving for me. This one is, is level of writing. It just didn't, the topics that it addresses just didn't hit me as hard as some of these other books, if that makes sense.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah, so like if there was somebody that this book was targeted to, it would be a 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yes. I think if you. We're a, a child who is feeling kind of lost in life and needed the, the book does a really good job of having these kids have that coming of age moment a lot of things I don't, I don't think pull off that very well. This is very much a defining moment in their life and you can fill that as the reader. So if you were a kid trying to struggle through a moment like that in your life, I could see this being a book like that. If you were a 40-year-old band who has these kids and you don't really know how to do, do what you're doing and you're trying to handle being a dad and you're trying to be good, don't really know how to struggle through it. I think this book would help you feel not alone because you have somebody else who understands you without having to go to a therapy situation or a group therapy. You have a character that you can relate with. And that's one of the beautiful things about movies and TV shows these characters that are living slice, that are very similar to yours that you can, you can connect onto and you don't have to feel so alone. And I think the father in this story can be a character like that it's well written enough to be that character.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I think you're wrong. I think it's a 10.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:It's, it's a, it's a very, very, very good book. I would, I would recommend it guys, especially it, it's not super scary Lauren. So like, it's not one that's gonna freak you, I don't think. I mean,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah. I was like, I'm.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:it's not scary.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Usually good with books for scary,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah. Okay.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:cool. I would recommend it. Alright, Josh, let's go to your second topic.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay, so this one was a. Listener recommendation a while back, it took me a while to get around to it, but the show's Murder Bot, um, it's about a security robot who hacks his governor module, uh, which apparently normally happens eventually with these AI robots. Um, but in this case, instead of becoming murderous and terrible, he just decides to watch reality TV with his free time. And it's supposed to be about him like it's supposed to ask the question, like, what does it really mean to be human?'cause like, does he feel emotion? Yeah, he feels boredom. Um, does he, you know, relationships, he, he feels bonded to his clients. Um. And they feel bonded to him eventually and all this kinds of stuff, it just didn't work for me. Um, he's playing a robot, but like he comes off bored through the entire thing and it, it just doesn't land. Um, I don't feel like their message is very effective. Um, so yeah, this was just not a show for me. I watched it, it was fine. There's definitely good elements to it, but when your main actor is not very good at his job,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Since
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:it makes it struggle. Sure. Whoever that, whatever that
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:That's the
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:is.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:name guy is Scar, star
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Oh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:he plays the clown and it
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:N?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:okay.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I think he plays Tarzan, but his brother plays
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Oh, is it his brother?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I believe so. Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I guess I'm wrong.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Or maybe I'm, I'm wrong. Um.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:it Bill's car card. Is it?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Um, yeah, I've actually seen the first couple episodes of this show and it's, it's funny'cause I didn't get the, I, I mean I wouldn't have described it as bored until you said that like, the way that I thought. And have you seen this show, Colin?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:seen three episodes.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Okay. I think I've seen as much as you have. Um, but like, it, it came off to me that like he was like biting his time to when he could like be free of his clients. Um,'cause he kept like mentioning all these times that he could kill them and like, wanting to kill them and stuff. And to the point where he is like, okay, maybe I don't actually wanna kill them. And like, I really like the, the part where he was one of the clients gets hurt and he is like, it's gonna be okay. What's like, I think he like asked, was like asking her personal questions and stuff to like try to make her feel better and like show us his face and he's like, oh my gosh, why did I do that? Oh dang. Ah, I'm so stupid. Stuff like that. And that's like the part that I liked about this show is that I'm like, his inner monologue is very much like my all the time. Just always like going over a social interaction and being like, oh my gosh, why did I do that? That's like, oh my gosh. But so what were like the high points of it, because you mentioned there were some good points of this. What was that
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:That is the high point. You just said it. That's the high point. Um, I still think his inner monologue sounds board and like I know he's playing a robot and that's a very hard thing to like differentiate. But like even when he is doing his inner monologue, he's like, I should not have said that. They're going to know my governor module has been hacked. I'm going to have to kill them. Darn.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Um,
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:it's not really like as energetic as you made it sound. Um. And again, I know it's very difficult because he is playing a robot. It's just, I didn't buy a robot. I found bored person phoning in his lines
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Oh, so you felt like the actor
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:just going through the motions. Yeah.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:That's fair. That's fair.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I've read three of these books, uh, and I've, I've tried watching the show. Um, I think, I think he actually does a good job with it. I just don't really vibe with the character. And there's a lot of people in like book Tube or, any of those book reviewing type websites channels, um, that. Love this series, I think it's supposed to be written like somebody who has done customer service for a thousand years and is just sick of customer service. It's like, how can you be such a dumb ass freaking, just buy the right stuff. Don't return the exact same thing again, I, you can't return this. It is halfway empty. I know that you used it. I'm not dumb. It's halfway empty. I can see it and it's supposed to have that kind of energy and I, it I, it works for some people. I don't like the books. I think this is a pretty good adaption. I don't like that either. And it comes across being bored because if you've done the exact same thing for a thousand years and you're just tired of dealing with the same dumb ass clients, then you would probably act a lot that same way and think that same way, I think is why it works for some people and why some people love it so much. Um, I, the show didn't work for me. I don't really like the books. I watched as many of, or I read as many of them as I did.'cause I have a friend who loves this series. It is just, it's just, I don't, I don't love it. It's just not mine.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:So if the guy who voiced, um, the robot in Rogue One was the robot, would you think you'd like it more? Josh?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Yeah. Uh, I genuinely think that like, main part, like I get what Collin's saying. I think that's what it's trying to do. I don't think this actor delivered that at all.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:executing it, Anna?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:'cause that humor is my kind of humor. I've worked in customer service a large portion of my life and I can definitely get behind that. Um, plot wise, it's okay. Right? He names himself murder bot at the beginning of the show. Why does he name himself that, that doesn't make any sense. Whatever. Um. Right. It's not a very deep thought plot. Um, like I said, they're really trying to get you to ask the question of like, what does it really mean to be human? But at the end of the show, you get to a point where like, his memory's wiped and he goes back to being a robot, and it's like, yeah, okay. And there's a point where he's about to be destroyed, and you go, okay. So it's just like, yeah, you're, he is, he's not human. Like, uh, it's, it didn't really work for me. Like I said,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:you say that, Josh, you're
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:there's good,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:the AI did hear me say that, and now the AI's gonna procrastinate, taking over the world because it knows that it needs to be more inventive.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Don't be bored. Ai.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:So what was your rate, Josh?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yes.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:4.5,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:like I'm, I was tempted to give it a six.'cause it's like I didn't hate watching it. Would I rewatch it? No. But then you have to ask yourself, is it better than mediocre? Would I rather watch Black Panther? I would rather watch Black Panther.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I would rather watch Black Panther than this too. I was as bored as the robot with the book and the, and the show for me. What about you, Lauren, with the episodes that you've watched?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Um, I got to the part where, um, it started getting exciting, but then the next episode hadn't come out, and then I just never thought to pick it back up,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:okay. So
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:so
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:her her rating. She just forgot about the
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I forgot about it. That's why when I saw,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:so apathetic. She doesn't even bother to store it in her memory.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I, I saw that you guys had it written and I was like, I'll ask him if it's worth. It sounds like it's not. Sorry.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I don't
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:We're, uh, suggested we watch it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah. I'm sorry. I hope that you're still loving it. It
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:for a ton of people. People love these books. They're like sci-fi. Big, big, big, big books. Um,
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I bet the books are better.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:you should give one a try and see what you think. Maybe it'll work for you. It just also
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Well, they won't have that main actor phoning in the lines, so they've gotta be better, even if it's shot for shot, remake.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Give it a try, man. Give it a try. You should read it. Give it a shot. Anyway, let's go to our shared topic. We're gonna, we're we watched Tombstone together and I can share my thoughts. First. I. Don't, I'm, I don't really love Westerns to be completely honest. And they all range from, none of them are worse than Black Panther that I've ever seen, but most of them are just kinda like, eh, it's fine. And I think this is on the top end of, eh, it's fine. I, I enjoyed it enough. I'm glad that I watched it once. It's very famous. Uh, the actual town is, it's in Arizona, but it's really not that far from where we live. and I think it'd be cool to actually go see the town and, and tour it. I think the acting is, is good. I like the basic story. Um, Sam Elliot is the freaking man and everything that he is in makes it better'cause Sam Elliot's awesome. He's the only person that looks good in a mess, mustache. Only one mustaches are coming back in and they're like the overalls for men. They look terrible. Always, for Sam Elliott, the freaking guy could pull off a mustache like a g. Kurt Russell's good in it, like it's got a stat cast, really good cast. I enjoyed the, uh, death scene where he is like, go and live your life. That that death scene was, was well done. It was good. If you like westerns, I can see why you like this one better than most because I do think it's better than most, the end it's still just a Western and westerns of all are all just kind of, kind of sixes for me. And I would give this one, I guess 6.7, 6.8, somewhere like that. It's close to a seven. do I find myself really wanting to watch any Western that I can think of? No, there's probably an exception, but not, not really, no. yeah, that's, that's kind of my thoughts. What about you, Lauren?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Um. Yeah, I mean, like, it's like Louis Lamore, right? Like if you've seen a western, you've seen a mall. Um, the thing, uh, reason why I, uh, suggested we watch Tombstone,'cause I hadn't seen it since I was like really young, uh, probably too young to be watching. I ran into our movie, but it was my dad's favorite movie. Um, and my dad loves everything Western. Um, and like Tombstone is his absolute favorite movie. And so I was like, oh, it'd be interesting to watch it again now that I'm an adult. um, I actually did some research on like the Earl Brothers, uh oh, the erp, Wyatt, Wyatt Earp, and his brothers and tombstone. And it was actually pretty accurate. The movie was pretty accurate to what went down. There was a little bit more, um. There were more fight scenes in the movie than what were recorded. Uh, but it was fairly accurate. And uh, I do, I love Doc Holiday though. I like, he, I think he was the best character in this movie. He just has so many great one-liners in there. Like he has the iconic, I'll Be Your Huckleberry. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:did like that.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:the part where he is like, you're so drunk. You probably say two of me. He's like, I got two guns, one for each of you. And it's like, everybody needs a friend like dog holiday, because then he was like, following Wyatt or, and the one guy's like, why are you following him? And, and he's like, he's my friend. And he is like, I have tons of friends. And he's like. don't, and I was like, he's a real one. Um, so yeah, I just love dog holiday in this. I love that character. Um, but yeah, I agree with everything that you said. Like I think this is like a, a top tier, uh, Western movie, but yeah, Western movies to me, and I know that some people's like jam, like my dad, anything Western Louis Lamore, like he's read all of the Louis Lamore books I'm like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:There's so many
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:there's so many. Um, but I mean, I guess that's kind of like the same thing as like, oh, I, I can't think of that. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:It's like Hallmark for men.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah, exactly. Um. Yeah. And then like you said, it was a stacked cast. Like every single person that popped up on the screen, I was like, oh, I know that actor. Oh, I know that act. I know all of these actors. Um, there, I'm trying to think if there was any that really surprised me, um, that were in there. But
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Charlton Heston was, I didn't know that he would be in it.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:yeah, there's, um, the guy from my big fat Greek wedding was in there
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:and I was like, what? Um, Sandman, I forgot was in it, but I did know that, um, from Spider-Man. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:he was the other one for me
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:there's, yeah, the more, can we talk about how like Sam Elliott hasn't aged at all?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:at all. It's crazy.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:It's insane. I feel like he's been old forever. Like he probably was born with that mustache.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah, him and, uh, what's the other guy's name? Oh, what's his name? The Ocean's 11 guy who literally does not age.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Uh, Brad Pitt
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:No, the other dude, Brad Pitt looks good. This other guy, ocean's came out in like 2000. Right. Uh, what, what is his name? Other main dude?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Matt Damon.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Georgey.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:George Clooney and Matt Damon. Or not Matt Damon. George Clooney and the other one we were just talking about.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Is that Elliot?
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:No, no. Ah, second. Lemme look at Oceans look. Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:don't think Matt Damon's aged very much either.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I don't think so either, but
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:He's just gotten bigger when he's booked up for his movies.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Yeah, and then he shrinks when he needs to shrink, and that's about it.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:The timeline is.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:You've got Brad Pitt and you've got George Clooney. This is like two, this came out in, what year did this come out? 2001. George Clooney has stayed the exact same. He has not aged at all. Brad Pitt has aged well, but it looks like George Clooney started at 40 and now Brad Pitt, who's 50 something is now 40, and George Clooney is still 40 now they look the same age. And it's crazy.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I think Brad Pet's in the sixties,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I was even in his sixties, he looks
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:so.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:but George Clooney still looks freaking 40. It's nuts. Anyway, uh, back to the movie
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:back to Tombstone.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:back to Tombstone. Um, what would you rate this Lauren?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Um, I would give it. I would give it a six. I'd watch it before Black Panther.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay. Okay.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:But like, it was interesting watching it without my dad, because I remember watching it with my dad. My dad would just be spouting facts of like what actually happened, or like deep lore on why or written stuff like that. So I think it would go up if I was watching it with my dad. But
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Cool. Do you have a favorite, uh, Western movie?
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Maverick,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:it has, oh, what's his face? Mel Gibson. It's pretty funny. Uh,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:I've seen it.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I like it.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:That's, that one's a pretty good one. That's a pretty good one. Mine's you there? No country for old men. Or actually don't remember the name of the other one, but it's a Tom ha Tom. Cruz movie that I don't think counts, but
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:a Tom Cruise movie or as
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:as a Western. Uh, he, he is a Irish guy who moves over to the States as an immigrant and then goes to the western front so he can get his own land. it's kind of Western, but kind of not. I love that movie. I just don't think it counts. Anyway, Josh, what do you think?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay. So I want to state for the record that I was not part of choosing any of the shared topics this week.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Uh, they were chosen by Conlan and Lauren and I accepted,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Basically he's saying I didn't
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:not
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Spoiler
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:part of the choosing. Uh,
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:against my will.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:It's like I freaking had to watch all these movies. She jerks.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I don't think westerns are the setting for me. I don't know why they don't work for me because I love Star Wars. And Star Wars is just a western in space, so I don't get why it's such a disconnect for me. Um,'cause I love, love Star Wars.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I feel
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I love a lot of these westerns in other things work, but westerns in Western Times, it's just does not work for me. Okay. Lauren, why.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Because when I asked if you, uh, like the different, like Ninja Samurai or whatever, you always choose like Samurai because like there's like the codes and stuff like that. And I feel like with cowboy movies there is kind of like a code, but not really. It's like lawless and it's like whoever's the quicker draw wins where it's not really like based on, um, morals.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:This one's based on morals, tombstones. All about morals.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Yeah. But I feel like most westerns it's like talking about like you take the law into your own hands, whereas like samurai type things, like there's a code, there's like cowboy-ish, it's like, oh, it's. We choose our own morals and then we uphold our own things by what we choose of it. And it's, mostly lawless, but tombstone is about them trying to set the law. Um, whereas most westerns you haven't gotten there yet. That's what I think.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Josh, I'm curious, have you seen the Magnificent Seven ever?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Have you seen The Seven Samurai?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:No.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay, the Seven Samurai is was before the Magnificent seven and basically they just remade that film into a Western, which is the magnificent seven. I would be curious what you think about the Seven Samurai.'cause it is basically the same movie with Samurai.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I probably wouldn't like it'cause I don't like the magnificent seven. I thought it was a dumb movie and a waste of time.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Did you see the old one or the new one?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:The new one,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay. That old one is better, but they're both westerns, so
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:if you say so. Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't think that that's the case.'cause like I said, star Wars is just a western in space.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:Samurai in space.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Okay. If you're counting Western Samura, I guess the last Samurai is my favorite Western. Um.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:I will count it.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I just, I think I've narrowed it down. I really just think it's the setting,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:like the old timey, whatever. I also feel like when I am watching the movies, everybody's over forcing the accents. Like, it feels silly to me. And this was no exception, especially when Sandman was talking. I was like, dude, just stop. You're my favorite part of this movie, or second favorite part of this movie. But like, stop with the accent. Okay. We don't need that. Just, just be a person. Okay. Um,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:What are you saying? People with accents aren't people, Josh?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:no. People who do fake accents are just obnoxious
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:You, you get dehumanized when
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:just like I. Yeah, I just feel like it's overly forced. Like,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Fair enough.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:uh, um, there was one scene in this movie that I thought was exceptional and that was Doc coming out of the forest to kill the guy. When we were expecting, um, our main character to come and do it. I was just blown away with the cinematography of that moment of having him cloaked in black and walking in all slow and, you know, the, our, our bad guy starting to get scared and all of that kind of stuff. That moment was amazing and, and made worth watching the movie worth it for that soul mo moment, like that scene is great. Everything else in this was not great. Um. All of doc's one-liners, like they were the best part about the movie, but they really didn't land for me. Um, my favorite was, I've got a gun for each of you, which you just quoted. All of the other ones. I was just like, okay, guy. That's fine.
lauren_1_07-23-2025_162406:That's fine.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:cool. Western version of Cool story, bro.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Uh, so what would, what would you rate it? Josh.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I would rate that one scene with Doc as a nine outta 10. That scene is amazing.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:I would rate the rest of the movie, not including, if you take out that scene, it's like a three.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Okay. So guys, you thought that he was gonna like it'cause he decided to wear a horse on his shirt today, like you thought. Yeah. He is just like, he's a changed person. He just wants horses all the time. Western. Let's go. But you shocked us all. I gave it a three. any westerns you do? Like,
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:Star Wars
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:are there any like traditional type westerns that you like?
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:now.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:No. Okay.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:the closest comes to remember the Alamo. Um, but that's mostly like a history love for me. Lauren's right. The history in this is actually really accurate. I give it a lot of problems for that. So I guess I'll give it a four because of history, coolness, but yeah,
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:Otherwise, just not for you.
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:yeah. Also remember the Alamo is not really like a traditional Western either, so
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:different. It's
joshua-dietrich_1_07-23-2025_122408:yeah.
konlin-gappmayer_1_07-23-2025_162405:All right guys. With that note, we are gonna on to our next episode and Lauren's gonna ask me questions about a fantastic movie that I can't wait to talk about. We appreciate you guys watching Light comment, share, all that good stuff. See you guys. Peace. Bye.
